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Nuclear disarmament needs to be a condition for ending sanctions (Original Post) ck4829 Mar 2022 OP
And then we can easily just invade him and overthrow his government. ColinC Mar 2022 #1
Nice thought, but rather unlikely to be realistic Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #2
Well then... sanctions will outlive Putin and his successor ck4829 Mar 2022 #4
I'm all for that Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #7
And a Russian Unicorn sarisataka Mar 2022 #3
Like we are going to give our nukes up. Hoyt Mar 2022 #5
What Putin needs is an exit ramp which limits his political damage Shermann Mar 2022 #6
Nice ideal but it will never happen. Disaffected Mar 2022 #8
Except the rogue nation has them *now*, is threatening others with them *now* ck4829 Mar 2022 #9
Yabut Disaffected Mar 2022 #11
I dunno, sounds like a distinction without a difference ck4829 Mar 2022 #13
Indeed it is but Disaffected Mar 2022 #14
If a nation is so rogue that its leader's immediate threat to use them is entirely credible, Emrys Mar 2022 #10
Huh?? Disaffected Mar 2022 #12

ColinC

(8,327 posts)
1. And then we can easily just invade him and overthrow his government.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 05:12 PM
Mar 2022

Doubt Putin will go for that. Then again, how long is he willing to let his people starve to death?

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
2. Nice thought, but rather unlikely to be realistic
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 05:13 PM
Mar 2022

I would like to see all nuclear weapons eliminated, but just don't see it happening.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. I'm all for that
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 05:20 PM
Mar 2022

and expect the Russian economy to suffer for decades following this invasion. I suspect few will be in a big hurry to start doing business with the Russians again anytime soon and it looks like the energy sector may finally be moving further away from the fossil fuels that put so much cash into the hands of Putin and his playmates.

Shermann

(7,428 posts)
6. What Putin needs is an exit ramp which limits his political damage
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 05:17 PM
Mar 2022

Forced nuclear disarmament is the opposite of that.

Disaffected

(4,568 posts)
8. Nice ideal but it will never happen.
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 05:20 PM
Mar 2022

Russia would never agree because without the nuclear threat it wields (as in now) against the west, they would get their asses wumped in any wider conflict. Example now in Ukraine - NATO v reluctant to get more involved mainly because of the threat of nuclear Armageddon.

As well, I don't believe any nuclear nation would give up all their weapons in any case - a few at least are always necessary as insurance against some rouge nation secretly redeploying nuclear weapons and using them to threaten or attack others.

ck4829

(35,085 posts)
9. Except the rogue nation has them *now*, is threatening others with them *now*
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 05:23 PM
Mar 2022

I can't look at "rogue state" and see Russia being anything but fitting that description perfectly. *chef's kiss* perfect.

There is no such thing as a national actor that is immune from becoming a rogue state in and of itself. We are seeing this happen in real-time.

Disaffected

(4,568 posts)
11. Yabut
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 07:02 PM
Mar 2022

what I'm referring to is the situation where all nations dispose of their nukes and said "rouge" secretly redeploys them from scratch or maybe digs up a few they hid in contravention to previous disarmament agreements.

ck4829

(35,085 posts)
13. I dunno, sounds like a distinction without a difference
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 11:02 PM
Mar 2022

World is still being held hostage by a rogue state.

Emrys

(7,255 posts)
10. If a nation is so rogue that its leader's immediate threat to use them is entirely credible,
Thu Mar 10, 2022, 05:27 PM
Mar 2022

then they self-evidently have no deterrent effect and may as well be abolished.

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