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Yorkie Mom

(16,420 posts)
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:53 PM Mar 2022

JUST IN: UK military intelligence says so many Russian troops are dying by the Ukrainian resistance



JUST IN: UK military intelligence says so many Russian troops are dying by the Ukrainian resistance that it's likely struggling to conduct offensive operations and is seeking replacements...

"Russia is redeploying forces from as far afield as its Eastern Military District, Pacific Fleet and Armenia. It is also increasingly seeking to exploit irregular sources such as Private Military Companies, Syrian and other mercenaries." - UK defense attaché to the US embassy
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JUST IN: UK military intelligence says so many Russian troops are dying by the Ukrainian resistance (Original Post) Yorkie Mom Mar 2022 OP
Keep bleeding them, Ukraine. Wingus Dingus Mar 2022 #1
Hopefully Georgia and Azerbaijan open other fronts. roamer65 Mar 2022 #2
And yet... reporting 20,000 Ukrainian casualties in Mariupol WarGamer Mar 2022 #3
I think those are civilian casualties, not military ones DavidDvorkin Mar 2022 #6
Casualties are both dead and wounded correct? dem4decades Mar 2022 #7
yes. WarGamer Mar 2022 #9
These are the civilian casualties? herding cats Mar 2022 #11
It's terrifying. War sucks. WarGamer Mar 2022 #12
I completely agree. herding cats Mar 2022 #16
Isn't that about the 9/11 total? Blue_playwright Mar 2022 #36
it's crazy... to see THIS kind of destruction in such a short period of time... WarGamer Mar 2022 #38
I believe nothing about this war. maxsolomon Mar 2022 #4
You make a good point, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #5
I'm not surprised that Rusher is re-deploying troops from elsewhere maxsolomon Mar 2022 #10
I agree that nobody knows, probably the Russian High Command doesn't even know, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #15
"seeking to exploit irregular sources such as Private Military Companies"..Hummm mitch96 Mar 2022 #8
Exactly what I was thinking. Pinback Mar 2022 #23
I don't trust any company to be completely "no longer be affiliated with it." He's such a snake. halfulglas Mar 2022 #27
We need to find a different abbreviation for UK MiniMe Mar 2022 #13
UKR is short for Ukraine, not UK. nt MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #17
Good to know but... MiniMe Mar 2022 #18
United Kingdom n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2022 #19
If you look at the bottom of the article, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #20
I hear you... mwooldri Mar 2022 #24
What could be the name if Scotland leaves to join the EU? speak easy Mar 2022 #33
For Scotland? mwooldri Mar 2022 #34
So sad doing all this when bluestarone Mar 2022 #14
Let's send 'em Tucker and the Trump boys! Grokenstein Mar 2022 #21
Now why didn't I think of that! dchill Mar 2022 #32
Says a guy on Twitter iemanja Mar 2022 #22
The good news, lots of guys on Twitter to select from. Estimates really vary. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #40
How long before.... SergeStorms Mar 2022 #25
In war, Aussie105 Mar 2022 #26
Paging Erik Prince! Take ALL your boys and go to Ukraine... lastlib Mar 2022 #28
I was just about to post a Blackwater comment, and saw you bested me by 3 minutes! nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #29
(there were some others before me... lastlib Mar 2022 #30
Are we sure he's not already there? dchill Mar 2022 #31
Syrian fighters and mercenaries get paid in rubles? Justice matters. Mar 2022 #35
Maybe Putin told them whatever they get from looting is theirs. lpbk2713 Mar 2022 #41
Take claims with a grain of salt left-of-center2012 Mar 2022 #37
'Glad the 'Ukes are doing so well, but it's also..... capechacon Mar 2022 #39
Should be 12 feet under Justice matters. Mar 2022 #42
That too!!! capechacon Mar 2022 #43
Gettng paid in Rubles !! TeamProg Mar 2022 #44

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
2. Hopefully Georgia and Azerbaijan open other fronts.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:01 PM
Mar 2022

South Ossetia and Nagorno-Karabakh are ripe for the picking.

So are Chechnya and Tartarstan.

WarGamer

(12,488 posts)
3. And yet... reporting 20,000 Ukrainian casualties in Mariupol
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:06 PM
Mar 2022

Hard to believe numbers but that's why they're claiming.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
11. These are the civilian casualties?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:21 PM
Mar 2022

If that's what you're speaking of it's because Mariupol has been severely decimated since the war on Ukraine began. They're honestly not sure and are guesstimating based on collapsed buildings, food and water supplies and how few vehicles they know escaped.

I read this about it earlier:

Officials in Mariupol struggle to account for the dead.

LVIV, Ukraine — With some residents crushed in the rubble from a relentless two-week onslaught by Russian forces, and others dying in freezing conditions with no heat, food or clean water, officials in the besieged coastal city of Mariupol are struggling to account for the number of dead and missing.

Officially, 2,400 civilians killed in the city have been identified, but Pyotr Andryushchenko, an adviser to the city government, said he believed the toll was far higher.

“We have inaccurate data on civilians killed,” he said in an interview with Current Time, a Ukrainian radio station. He said the official figure represented a “small handful” of those killed and estimated that the actual total could be as high as 20,000.

In a telephone interview with The New York Times later, Mr. Andryushchenko said that 2,000 vehicles had managed to escape the city on Tuesday and that another 2,000 were packed and ready to leave. Officials told civilians hoping to leave to “delete all messengers and photos from phones” in case Russian soldiers tried to search them for signs of support for Ukrainian forces.
A battleground since the first hours of the war, Mariupol is under an increasingly relentless assault that is taking an unspeakable toll. Ukrainian estimates for the number of civilians trapped in the city have ranged from 200,000 to 400,000, with the latest estimate being 300,000.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/15/world/europe/mariupol-death-toll-ukraine.html


It helps to explain why they're just not sure how many are still alive there.

WarGamer

(12,488 posts)
12. It's terrifying. War sucks.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:22 PM
Mar 2022

I want it finished up like yesterday.

Even 2400 confirmed is a monster number.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
16. I completely agree.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:27 PM
Mar 2022

Mariupol Is one of the most horrifying of tales to come out so far from Ukraine. It's almost impossible to process what they're enduring there.

Blue_playwright

(1,568 posts)
36. Isn't that about the 9/11 total?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:57 PM
Mar 2022

It just astounds me. I don’t understand this war. I mean o get how it happened but I don’t get it.

WarGamer

(12,488 posts)
38. it's crazy... to see THIS kind of destruction in such a short period of time...
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:59 PM
Mar 2022

Not in the Tet Offensive

Maybe similar to the Battle of Chosin Reservoir?

Or certainly back to WW2.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
5. You make a good point,
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:14 PM
Mar 2022

but I tend to believe this because it's coming from British Military Intelligence, not Ukrainian Military Intelligence.

maxsolomon

(33,432 posts)
10. I'm not surprised that Rusher is re-deploying troops from elsewhere
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:21 PM
Mar 2022

200K isn't enough to pacify a Ukraine that fights back with top-grade Western weapons.

But what are the Russian losses? No one has a clue.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
15. I agree that nobody knows, probably the Russian High Command doesn't even know,
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:25 PM
Mar 2022

but western intelligence agencies can make educated guesses, there's also the reports of low morale among the Russian soldiers, captured Russians, Russians that have surrendered, etc.

Bottom line is that the Russian Army isn't having a good time like they thought they would.

mitch96

(13,929 posts)
8. "seeking to exploit irregular sources such as Private Military Companies"..Hummm
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:17 PM
Mar 2022

Blackwater??? Eric Prince loves to make bucket of money selling his "unique skill sets"..
m

Pinback

(12,171 posts)
23. Exactly what I was thinking.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:47 PM
Mar 2022

And it wouldn’t surprise me a bit. Although I think I remember that they changed their name to one of those fake corporate-y monikers like “Remergent” or “Aquilant,” or maybe something totally benign like “Smilin’ Bob’s Security.”

On edit: Blackwater is now known as “Academi,” and Prince is no longer affiliated with it. More info:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_(company)

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
27. I don't trust any company to be completely "no longer be affiliated with it." He's such a snake.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:22 PM
Mar 2022

He founded the company and oversaw its operations for so long he might have left some eggs behind in the nest.

MiniMe

(21,721 posts)
13. We need to find a different abbreviation for UK
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:23 PM
Mar 2022

I always have to think twice between Ukraine and United Kingdom

MiniMe

(21,721 posts)
18. Good to know but...
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:34 PM
Mar 2022

in this post are they talking about UK or UKR?

JUST IN: UK military intelligence says so many Russian troops are dying by the Ukrainian resistance that it's likely struggling to conduct offensive operations and is seeking replacements...

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
20. If you look at the bottom of the article,
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:39 PM
Mar 2022

it says UK defense attaché to the US embassy, UKR doesn't have any defense attache's in US embassy's.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
24. I hear you...
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:49 PM
Mar 2022

United Kingdom often also gets called "Great Britain" (but that leaves out Northern Ireland). Internet domain is .uk. Ukraine's internet domain is .ua

Best to use three letter abbreviations - UKR for Ukraine, GBR for United Kingdom.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
34. For Scotland?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:50 PM
Mar 2022

Abbreviations would be SCO or SCOT. Scotland has the present top level Internet domain of .scot

A two letter initial for Scotland would only be decided on when Scotland does become independent. I say "when" because the way things are going I can see an independent Scotland in my lifetime.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
25. How long before....
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:50 PM
Mar 2022

Erik Prince is involved and we have American mercs killing Ukrainians?

No money to pay Prince and his mercs? Putin has oil, and oil is money - big money right now - and with his connections I'm sure Prince could find buyers without ever having to touch the oil.

Just wondering out loud, sort of.

Aussie105

(5,444 posts)
26. In war,
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:59 PM
Mar 2022

it's considered normal to under report your losses and over estimate those of the enemy.

It matters not, each death, be they a soldier on either side, or a civilian, is a tragic loss.

Russia must have some battle hardened soldiers from previous wars fought across Asia that they can throw at Ukraine, though? Or are they all too old, or dead?

It may be that previous wars have seriously depleted the Russian army in terms of man power and hardware.
Hopefully.

There have been so many.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#

lastlib

(23,323 posts)
28. Paging Erik Prince! Take ALL your boys and go to Ukraine...
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:23 PM
Mar 2022

We need you to fight and die for your country.

(and get the hell out of ours!)

lastlib

(23,323 posts)
30. (there were some others before me...
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:28 PM
Mar 2022

...that I didn't see before posting. Oh, well, I like mine... me)

Justice matters.

(6,946 posts)
35. Syrian fighters and mercenaries get paid in rubles?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:53 PM
Mar 2022

Guess they don't know how much they're worth...

Get killed or maimed for life for pennies, anyone?

lpbk2713

(42,769 posts)
41. Maybe Putin told them whatever they get from looting is theirs.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 12:09 AM
Mar 2022


How they get it home is probably another matter.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
37. Take claims with a grain of salt
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 11:58 PM
Mar 2022

May require more than one grain.

Unclear how real claims are that are being made by either side.

 

capechacon

(91 posts)
39. 'Glad the 'Ukes are doing so well, but it's also.....
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 12:03 AM
Mar 2022

worth remembering that many (most?) of those dead Russian soldiers would almost surely never have chosen to be in Ukraine and likely wanted nothing more than to live a quiet, enjoyable life in their home country.

The image last week of a slight, captured 18-19 yr old Russian prisoner crying his eyes out as he sat under guard was haunting. A true tragedy on both sides generated by a single autocratic nut case who should rightly be in a dingy jail in remotest Siberia.

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