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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:01 AM Apr 2022

Evergreen Declares General Average Following Containership Ever Forward Grounding

Evergreen Marine, the owner of a containership stuck aground in the Chesapeake Bay, has declared general average after two failed attempts to refloat the vessel.

The Ever Forward has been stuck near the Port of Baltimore since March 13 despite the efforts of dredgers and salvors who have been working for more than a week to dig out and refloat the 1,095-foot vessel. Separate attempts to refloat the ship on Tuesday and Wednesday were unsuccessful, meaning costlier and more complex salvage efforts will be required, Evergreen said.

"In light of the increasing costs arising from the continued attempts to refloat the vessel, Evergreen declared general average," the Taiwanese shipping company said in a statement on Thursday. "The complexity of further rescue operations will require more manpower, equipment and costs to refloat the stranded vessel as soon as possible."

General average is principle of maritime law requiring cargo owners to share with the shipowner or charterer the costs associated with rescuing a vessel in a casualty event.

https://www.marinelink.com/news/evergreen-declares-general-average-495468

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Evergreen Declares General Average Following Containership Ever Forward Grounding (Original Post) Sherman A1 Apr 2022 OP
Yup, Those are Words. ruet Apr 2022 #1
OP is not required to include the original headline in General Discussion. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #3
It seemed pretty simple to me once I read the definition in the last paragraph Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #4
Yeah, that's what I mean. Bizarre. And given Evergreen's record lately, who would ship with them? lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #6
Evergreen Declares "General Average" Following Container Ship Grounding. -NT- ruet Apr 2022 #8
LOL - That's what got me to click on it! Totally Tunsie Apr 2022 #10
I confess - same here. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #11
Aren't they the same idiots who blocked the Suez Canal? lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #2
As I recall, You are correct Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #5
I don't know if they were idiots or not, but GA had been... TreasonousBastard Apr 2022 #7
But was it Evergreen who grounded the ships? Zeitghost Apr 2022 #17
Why can't they unload some of the cargo onto other ships? panader0 Apr 2022 #9
The trick is getting a second ship to offload the containers as well as a crane big enough to do it. Gore1FL Apr 2022 #13
It wasn't the Evergreen Captain either . . . . Stinky The Clown Apr 2022 #14
You're right, just like the Egyptian pilot who got an Evergreen ship stuck in the Suez canal. panader0 Apr 2022 #15
I agree. I am not sure where this goes next. Stinky The Clown Apr 2022 #16
So it's like the dufus who wrecks his Mustang doing a burnout and then makes passengers split costs? TheBlackAdder Apr 2022 #12

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. OP is not required to include the original headline in General Discussion.
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:06 AM
Apr 2022

The obscure nautical terminology certainly is mystifying, even after reading the definition.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
4. It seemed pretty simple to me once I read the definition in the last paragraph
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:08 AM
Apr 2022

Those transporting cargo on the ship, get to help pay for it getting unstuck.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. Yeah, that's what I mean. Bizarre. And given Evergreen's record lately, who would ship with them?
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:10 AM
Apr 2022

FYI, the confusing headline probably causes most folks to walk on by.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
10. LOL - That's what got me to click on it!
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:53 AM
Apr 2022

Otherwise, couldn't figure out what it meant.

And, once again, I learn something new on DU...General Average.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. Aren't they the same idiots who blocked the Suez Canal?
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:04 AM
Apr 2022

Evergreen will come after you financially, if they ground a ship that happens to be carrying your cargo.

Good to know.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
5. As I recall, You are correct
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:09 AM
Apr 2022

I suspect that folks using their services will likely think twice before doing so in the future.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. I don't know if they were idiots or not, but GA had been...
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:15 AM
Apr 2022

Maritime law since the Phoenicians. It all started when owners of heavy stuff, like stone statues, asked why their stuff was thrown overboard first in bad weather. It was only natural that everone share the cost.

Zeitghost

(3,863 posts)
17. But was it Evergreen who grounded the ships?
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 11:54 AM
Apr 2022

It's generally required to let local pilots guide large ships through ports and canals.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
9. Why can't they unload some of the cargo onto other ships?
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:50 AM
Apr 2022

Lighten the load.
It wasn't the cargo owners that grounded the ship, it was the Evergreen captain. Why should
the owners have to pay?

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
13. The trick is getting a second ship to offload the containers as well as a crane big enough to do it.
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 10:08 AM
Apr 2022

I know very little about container shipping; To be honest, I am not sure if a floating crane is a thing. I suspect, though, what they are doing is probably cheaper, even if it takes longer.

Stinky The Clown

(67,809 posts)
14. It wasn't the Evergreen Captain either . . . .
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 10:14 AM
Apr 2022

. . . . it was a marine pilot,

Ships hire pilots to navigate when a ship is in close quarters. This ship had just left the terminal and was not yet even to the main Chesapeake Bay shipping channel. They took a wrong turn, got somehow out of the harbor channel and ran aground.

It seems to me the most immediately responsible party is the marine pilot.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
15. You're right, just like the Egyptian pilot who got an Evergreen ship stuck in the Suez canal.
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 10:20 AM
Apr 2022

Still, the pilot was hired by Evergreen, not the cargo owners. If I was one of the cargo owners,
I'd be plenty pissed off. They've probably already lost a bundle because of the delay.

Stinky The Clown

(67,809 posts)
16. I agree. I am not sure where this goes next.
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 10:42 AM
Apr 2022

Ship owners use pilots for several reasons. They use them to navigate when local knowledge is critical. Narrow channels, strong currents, shoals, etc. They also use them as a way to shield themselves (to some degree) from liability.

In this case, there are now some added liabilities from local fisheries. Mainly crab and oyster fishermen. Lawsuits are written already, waiting for the outcome to know where to aim them. The salvors are trying to reflect the ship by dredging. That is a terrible disruption of the Bay floor with serious impact to oyster beds and crab habitat.

I am feeling less urgency to this grounding than to the one in the Suez Canal because this is a grounded ship, not a blocked shipping channel critical to, literally, the world's commerce.

Back to where this goes . . . . . it seems to me the pilot company and ship owners bear the biggest financial responsibility. I should think the pilot company, and the pilot himself, has to have a shipload (pun intended) of insurance. Evergreen is a big company so I would also think they have insurance as does their captain. All other parties to the grounding will only have claims against that insurance and no financial responsibility!

I am speculating, but the least responsible party is the ship captain since he (legally) relinquishes control of this ship's navigation to the pilot. The pilot has the most direct responsibility but likely no personal deep pockets. His biggest liability is losing his job. Look up how much marine pilots make. It is surprisingly little, particularly when weighed against the responsibility they assume.

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