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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCalifornia has toughest U.S. gun laws. After Sacramento shooting, what else can lawmakers do?
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article260068725.htmlBut the fact is, the recent legislation pending in California is relatively modest compared to some of the sweeping reforms that gun-control advocates are demanding in other states and on the federal level simply because most of the toughest curbs are already part of California law.
Among other things, nationwide advocates are seeking an end to the so-called gun show loophole, which exempts sales at gun shows from federal background checks. They also want to see the nationwide assault-weapons ban, which expired in 2004, revived. Both of those laws are in effect in California.
Advocates for gun owners say there isnt much else California can do, given the protections for gun ownership enshrined in the Bill of Rights.
Here in California, we have done everything we could possibly do to control guns, said Sam Paredes, who runs the Sacramento-area organization Gun Owners of California. Everything short of banning (guns), and they know they cant do that.
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maxsolomon
(33,419 posts)I don't know who the shooter is, but it's a fair bet it was a young man who's ego was offended (or he felt physically threatened).
That might prevent some future shootings from ever happening, but given human nature and the sheer number of guns in America, these types of rampage shootings are almost inevitable.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Deal with toxic masculinity!
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,489 posts)maxsolomon
(33,419 posts)these articles aren't typically regulated to the Gungeon.
Dial H For Hero
(2,971 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Like the texas abortion law.
If a gun is sold and used in any crime anyone can sue the seller and manufacturer for $10,000.
RainCaster
(10,926 posts)Washington state just did.
Celerity
(43,580 posts)Chainfire
(17,656 posts)I do have an issue with people, intentionally or unintentionally, misrepresenting the facts about gun laws. For instance, the statement above, "Among other things, nationwide advocates are seeking an end to the so-called gun show loophole, which exempts sales at gun shows from federal background checks." Is very misleading, even if their is a grain of truth behind it.
Most of the sales at gun shows are sells from licensed firearm dealers to individuals. These people do have to do background checks on their customers and their customers do have to be approved for a sale to take place. Otherwise the seller would be in violation of Federal laws and would lose their licenses and face jail time.
What the "gun show loophole" is, is when people who attend gun shows and bring their personal weapon with them to look for a buyer. They may rent a table to display their wares, or they may walk around with a rifle and a for sale sign on their shoulder. If successful, they will complete a person to person, unregulated sell, just the same as if they posted an ad to sell the gun in a newspaper, Craig's list by word of mouth, or some other source. There is nothing illegal or unusual about person to person gun sales or trades. Whether unregulated gun transfers, between individuals should be unlawful is a different question and is unrelated to my complaint. Personally, I think that gun sales between individuals should be regulated, but so far the government hasn't had the guts to do it.
The reason I quibble over the issue is the same reason that I constantly blast the NRA-ILA for publishing BS that is then picked up and spread all over the web. The truth is important, because, unless you are a Republican, you will lose credibility if you are attempting to make a point with alternative facts.
So, to sum up, the vast majority of gun sales, at gun shows, are required to do background checks.
themaguffin
(3,828 posts)sarisataka
(18,792 posts)About gun show sales. If the seller is a licensed dealer a background check must be done. An unlicensed seller cannot run a background check, it requires a license holder to have a check done.
Now they could pass a law that requires a license holder to be on site and run checks on unlicensed sales for a nominal fee but the fact is most criminals don't buy at gun shows.
onecaliberal
(32,916 posts)Problem, BY MODELING IT. As long as we have soulless zombies parenting children that will sadly not happen.
JI7
(89,276 posts)HeartachesNhangovers
(816 posts)Yes, I'm talking about the people who actually pulled the triggers.
Lawmakers can make sure that the criminal penalty for killing people, trying to kill people, conspiring to kill people includes the possibility of life without parole. Then find the culprit(s). Charge them. Try them. If found guilty, check that they were permanently removed from society. If they were not, tighten the criminal penalties and/or remove judicial discretion until killers and wannabe killers stay where they belong, until they die.
Then, create a public education program that documents how the perpetrators lives have been reduced to mere survival. Possibly a web page where anyone can watch the terrible tedium of their existence, removed from the company of their fellow humans.
czarjak
(11,298 posts)forthemiddle
(1,383 posts)I know mandatory minimums have, deservedly, bad raps. But in the case of crimes committed while in the possession of a firearm, there should be no exception.
We should not be able to plea bargain down.
This wont eliminate gun crimes, but it might eliminate gun criminals.
Grins
(7,239 posts)As the link showed, guns come into the state from Nevada. The only thing you can do is a national ban on guns.
Would be nice if that happened. It wont.