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https://theaviationist.com/2022/04/03/first-russian-su-35s-flanker-e-confirmed-destroyed-in-ukraine/Images of the wreckage of an aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) have started to circulate online in the afternoon (European time) on Apr. 3, 2022. The jet went down near Izium, in eastern Ukraine, some 120 kilometers to the southeast of Kharkiv.
Single seater, without canards, equipped with the L-265M10P/R ECM wingtip pods and featuring heat shields on the stabilizers: the aircraft was quickly identified as an Su-35S Flanker-E multirole 4++ generation supermaneuverable jet. The first to be lost since the beginning of the Russian invasion in Ukraine.
The pilot of the Flanker derivative survived the ejection and was captured by the Ukrainian forces:
According to the Ukrainian sources, the Su-35S was shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses, although this cant be verified at the moment. A video showing the aircraft, in flames, coming down, has emerged.
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WarGamer
(12,484 posts)The video shows a jet coming straight down at 200-300mph and impacting the ground with a big explosion.
In this pic looks like a moderately hard landing followed by a fire
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)sanatanadharma
(3,728 posts)Slower, flat impact, fuel explosion, fire but no nose-dive, as I see it.
WarGamer
(12,484 posts)to tune a piano.
Igel
(35,356 posts)Otherwise why be foolish?
Then we need evidence, confirmation.
Unless it was the Putin who ordered it, in which case "foolish" is to be assumed as a real possibility.
WarGamer
(12,484 posts)The SU35-s is a gymnast of the sky. Jane's and other firms rank it as superior to any F-16 and IIRC even to the F35.
It's amazing. It's the plane that pulls the "Cobra Maneuver" by rotating it's engines to allow it to fly forward but stand up on it's tail... it's a freak of the skies and the fact that they'd be using it to hit a SAM site just confirms that their air power is depleted and/or they're taking absurd risks with high dollar equipment... IIRC Russia has less than 100 SU-35s in the fleet.
artemisia1
(756 posts)equipment. The SU36-S may have some superiorities in terms of absolute airspeed -- something which in the age of stealth and advanced avionics is no longer the same advantage it once was -- but it is likely sh*te compared to modern American fighters with upgraded avionics and flown by actual professionals.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... in air support because of MPADs.
War has NO DOUBT changed
WarGamer
(12,484 posts)And I don't see the Ukrainians flying CAP looking for dogfights.
WarGamer
(12,484 posts)21st Century warfare is now all about super skilled high tech infantry with drones and man portable AA and AT weapons.
Tanks, irrelevant. AV's?? outdated. Attack aircraft, vulnerable.
You need highly skilled "door knockers" to root out the enemy.
Russians could have learned a lot from the US Marines in Iraq.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Igel
(35,356 posts)"Straight down" is possible, but unlikely. Rather assumes it had 0 mph airspeed when it was struck.
After that it's maybe terminal velocity or, if it's nose is pointed down, greater than that.
I can't tell. Need at least one other video, pref. at 90 degrees from this one.
WarGamer
(12,484 posts)That plane went down soft and burned. You can see the landing gear still the upright position, and the tires are burning lol...
Plus there's no skid marks, it's like it hit the ground softly and just stuck to the ground.
Igel
(35,356 posts)If it fell straight down, it was at terminal velocity. It's not a Harrier.
If it fits the story that the pic suggests, then it had no vx. Sorry, no subscripts that I feel like trying to html into existence.
What? It was a high-tech Russian plane that was captured and destroyed as it sat there? That, by itself, would be newsworthy.
It beggars explanation.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)dsp3000
(489 posts)Pretty insane that they are being shot down, but great!!!
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)WarGamer
(12,484 posts)tracks the radar signal back to the source.
Guess the Russian pilot forgot to fire the weapon, lol...