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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 08:22 PM Apr 2022

US and allies say new intel suggests coming Russian cyberattack

Five allied countries including the United States have warned that “evolving intelligence” indicates Russia is poised to launch powerful cyberattacks against rivals supporting Ukraine.

The members of the “Five Eyes” intelligence sharing network - the US, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - said Moscow could also involve existing cybercrime groups in launching attacks on governments, institutions and businesses, AFP reports.

“Evolving intelligence indicates that the Russian government is exploring options for potential cyberattacks,” they said in an official cyber threat alert.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine could expose organisations both within and beyond the region to increased malicious cyber activity. This activity may occur as a response to the unprecedented economic costs imposed on Russia as well as materiel support provided by the United States and US allies and partners.

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US and allies say new intel suggests coming Russian cyberattack (Original Post) yaesu Apr 2022 OP
I hope we're doing the same thing. nt Phoenix61 Apr 2022 #1
So, I wonder when this crosses the line to be an act of war against NATO? n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #2
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That's already done rockfordfile Apr 2022 #11
Just asking, where in NATO has this occurred? Thanks. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #17
To me, in the day in age, a cyber attack is an attack. Period Javaman Apr 2022 #20
Yeah, that's what I think too. In essence, it is a weapon deployed in an attack. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #21
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The bottom line is that it depends on the interpretation of the victim. Renew Deal Apr 2022 #35
I believe it was officially stated that Russia's meddling in our 2016 elections Achilleaze Apr 2022 #44
Yes!!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #45
If their IT infrastructure is anything like their military... HipChick Apr 2022 #3
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IMO it would be an attack on NATO. Technology has changed the meanings/implications of past RKP5637 Apr 2022 #6
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I doubt cyber command will discuss what they're doing. I believe the purpose of the notice is okaawhatever Apr 2022 #10
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Who said anything about "absorbing"? paleotn Apr 2022 #16
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Hit? Potentially. Hard? Probably not. There are mitigating strategies paleotn Apr 2022 #28
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You don't need to know. paleotn Apr 2022 #14
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Does your desire for heightened transparency apply to electrical grid as well? Torchlight Apr 2022 #43
Because publicly announcing your defense measures... AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #15
THat's What I Want To Know Me. Apr 2022 #22
Probably walking a fine line like NATO, being careful not to escalate while also causing enough yaesu Apr 2022 #7
Like nukes, the west has capabilities too. paleotn Apr 2022 #13
For some reason, Putin thinks he's the one that holds all the cards and others will freak out. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #19
Bluster is really all he's got. Mostly for internal consumption in my mind. paleotn Apr 2022 #24
Well said! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #26
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Well other than all the industrial minerals that they export. former9thward Apr 2022 #32
An extraction economy. Like the DRC and others. paleotn Apr 2022 #33
Can we block them? Korea does it? 🤷‍♀️ onecaliberal Apr 2022 #18
I imagine they have cells within the states. C Moon Apr 2022 #38
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This kind of news story is excellent for my options contracts... WarGamer Apr 2022 #25
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on the Black Sea :) speak easy Apr 2022 #34
I'm a bull mostly... WarGamer Apr 2022 #40
The government has been making noise about this for a month Renew Deal Apr 2022 #36
hmmm maybe that is what happened today Kali Apr 2022 #37
And the GOP will do anything to help putin with this. C Moon Apr 2022 #39
Amazing how they're just openly fraternizing with the freakin' ENEMY!!! calimary Apr 2022 #42

Response to RKP5637 (Reply #2)

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
20. To me, in the day in age, a cyber attack is an attack. Period
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 08:56 PM
Apr 2022

It’s a part of the arsenal of war now.

NATO and the UN have to get their collective heads out of their asses.

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Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
35. The bottom line is that it depends on the interpretation of the victim.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 10:36 PM
Apr 2022

There are academic opinions, but they are untested. The best guide on this is the Tallin Manual, but it is non-binding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallinn_Manual

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
44. I believe it was officially stated that Russia's meddling in our 2016 elections
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 03:22 PM
Apr 2022

was an "act of war"?

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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
6. IMO it would be an attack on NATO. Technology has changed the meanings/implications of past
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 08:31 PM
Apr 2022

terminology.

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okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
10. I doubt cyber command will discuss what they're doing. I believe the purpose of the notice is
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 08:34 PM
Apr 2022

similar to Biden telling everyone Russia was going to invade Ukraine and use false flag measures to initiate it. They lose the surprise factor, and they let Russia know we are intercepting their intel.

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paleotn

(17,931 posts)
28. Hit? Potentially. Hard? Probably not. There are mitigating strategies
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 09:29 PM
Apr 2022

But then again, why should the Ukrainians have to absorb all the punishment? The thing about MAD is Russia will be hit harder than we because they don't have anywhere near the resources to block and mitigate the cyber damage. Putin is well aware of that fact, thus, for all his bluster, he's given a moment of pause. Plus, a big part of defense is knowing of the threat before it occurs. Just like western intel predicting the invasion, they know what Putin is up to almost as quickly as he does. That's driving him bug shit. It's no surprise that Putin's Russia might be a serious problem someday, and we've prepared well for such an occurrence.

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paleotn

(17,931 posts)
14. You don't need to know.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 08:43 PM
Apr 2022

But rest assured, the west has capabilities. The US spends gargantuan dollars on just that. And that's just the stuff that's not black.

Response to paleotn (Reply #14)

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,029 posts)
15. Because publicly announcing your defense measures...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 08:44 PM
Apr 2022

Is a great way to tell the enemy how to avoid those defenses.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
22. THat's What I Want To Know
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 09:01 PM
Apr 2022

Surely we have the expertise to beat them at this and stuff their attack down their throats?

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
7. Probably walking a fine line like NATO, being careful not to escalate while also causing enough
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 08:33 PM
Apr 2022

pain to dissuade them from escalating.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
13. Like nukes, the west has capabilities too.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 08:41 PM
Apr 2022

Careful there, Putin. MAD doesn't just apply to nuclear weapons.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
19. For some reason, Putin thinks he's the one that holds all the cards and others will freak out. n/t
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 08:51 PM
Apr 2022

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
24. Bluster is really all he's got. Mostly for internal consumption in my mind.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 09:05 PM
Apr 2022

Take away the nukes and Russia is hollow. Other than fossil extraction, they make nothing anyone wants. They do nothing anyone cares about except make empty threats.

Response to paleotn (Reply #24)

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
33. An extraction economy. Like the DRC and others.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 10:19 PM
Apr 2022

Also, they're good at machining titanium parts for the aerospace industry primarily because in the Soviet days they were forced to do that internally. They had such promise when the Soviet Union collapsed. Now, they're a dying state. The home of Mendeleev, Tchaikovsky, Tolstoy and so many others. It's tragic.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/03/russia-demography-birthrate-decline-ukraine/

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WarGamer

(12,449 posts)
25. This kind of news story is excellent for my options contracts...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 09:06 PM
Apr 2022

I 'm holding Calls for PANW and CRWD and whenever panic about cyber attacks sets in... they rocket in value.

Response to WarGamer (Reply #25)

WarGamer

(12,449 posts)
40. I'm a bull mostly...
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 11:38 PM
Apr 2022

I'll buy puts on intra-day reversals but I think the market, at this moment... is still bullish overall, especially the tickers I watch closely.

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
36. The government has been making noise about this for a month
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 10:38 PM
Apr 2022

But most people haven't noticed. They probably will if the lights go out.

https://democraticunderground.com/100216513991

Kali

(55,014 posts)
37. hmmm maybe that is what happened today
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 11:07 PM
Apr 2022

local rural wifi tower on mountain behind the house was down for about 8 hours. right as I was hitting "complete transaction" on a new phone. thank dog my old one actually still works. it was all I had today

calimary

(81,314 posts)
42. Amazing how they're just openly fraternizing with the freakin' ENEMY!!!
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 02:53 PM
Apr 2022

WHAT do they not understand about the-Russians-are-our-ADVERSARIES! ?????

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