It is disappointing for so called Democratic pundits forecasting losing Congress.

[LiberalFighter]

That absolutely does not help. They need to have more posititivity instead of doom and gloom. I have to wonder if they are really supporting Democrats.

Watching MSNBC they have two on. Especially this guy from Justice Democrats.

[elleng]

1. YES YES YES!!!

They are NOT supporting Democrats.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Justice Democrats are NOT Democrats

[LiberalFighter]

9. That is what I thought. Amin had him on tonite.

[empedocles]

13. Justice D's provide news conflict, and they are a recurring Dem problem

[Historic NY]

20. If only the DNC would get out front,

sorry the present leader is too meek. Be a James Carville and slam them.

[empedocles]

28. The pragmative Clinton/Carville team did make calculated slams. Seemed to work.

Biden, however, is working on a razor thin Congressional voting edge.

Biden's 'weakness', imho, comes from the 2 disparate wings of the Democratic party, exploiting their respective/unrespectful, edge.

When the nation's voters were tuning in more to the 2021 November election season, they saw a President whose opportunistic Dem wings were on national news every night, refusing to back his policies - seemed like the President couldn't get his own Party on board, [which no President in that situation could].

The news covers conflicts. So nightly, there was one wing with their aggressive view, the opposing wing seeing aggressive disaster for the party, the republicons, also reflexively opposing. [DNC does not make much national news].

Ugh. That November negaive theme, seems to plague Biden to this day.

[blm]

3. That talk increases campaign donations to RNC

and GOP pacs.

[Hoyt]

4. On other hand, doesn't look good if a pundit totally misses election results when polls seem clear.

If we aren't smart enough to GOTV when it looks bad, we have serious issues.

[LiberalFighter]

10. I consider it too early to predict.

[Hoyt]

18. Fair point, anything can happen. Positive as I can get.

[Phoenix61]

5. It also could help GOTV for us and encourage repukes to stay home. nt

[Marcuse]

6. Better than complacency.

[Raven123]

7. Honestly, it's not worth watching. Save your sanity

If Democratic journalists would do the hard work, they could have an impact. They should be more eloquent than the average voter. They should be more informed than the average voter. They could offer viewers food for thought and perhaps affect the decisions of those who want to learn. Instead, they banter like a bunch of people at a bar or a bunch of armchair quarterbacks watching a football game.

[brooklynite]

8. Justice Democrats does not have an interest in Democrats winning...

...they have an interest in THEIR style of Democrats replacing mainstream Democrats in safe Democratic seats.

Beyond that, you haven't mention WHO the pundits you've heard are, and what specifically they've said.

FWIW: People who are saying the Democrats are at risk of losing (which they are) aren't discouraging people from voting, because the average voter doesn't listen to pundits on cable news show or in social media. The people who DO listen are going to vote anyway, but perhaps need to be encouraged to work harder on getting Democrats elected by giving them a realistic view of the political landscape.

[LiberalFighter]

11. Corbin Trent was the guy on with Ayman.

[Budi]

21. Corbin also predicts 'Someone like Nina Turner or Marianne Williamson" will be JDems 2024 choice

He also called President Biden 'old as sh*t".

Trent founded JDems with Zack Exley & AOC following Exley's trip to Russia in 2013.
Who'd he see in Russia to return full on prepared to move forward with the "hostile takeover of the Democratic Party" ? (their words)
No she wasn't just discovered as a bartender, she's been with them since they 1st organized.

Their backstory tells a much different tale of how & when & why & who.

I would expect nothing else from Corbin Trent than debasement & depressing comments on our Democratic Party & our Democratic Leaders.
They've been at it for 7 years.

https://m.facebook.com/TheCenlaReport/posts/4460016617459690
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10364745/amp/Ex-AOC-staffer-says-Biden-old-s-unpopular-Dems-demolished-midterms.html

In Corbin Trent's own predictable words.

[betsuni]

22. +1

[Budi]

25. Yup. And what happened the 1st time they ran against the Dem candidate?

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Trump.

Mission accomplished.

[Cha]

41. Well corbin trent is Dumb "as shit"

💙💛

[Budi]

45. Its just business & a wealth building proposition to him..

Quite a similar model to his friend Cenk.

[Cha]

12. They always do this.. it's what

they do.. I for one do Not listen to anything they say about anything.

And, whomever has them on their show is only enabling the Doom & Gloom. And, helping the magats.

I'd rather listen to someone like Nancy Pelosi who was invaluable help in Winning us back the House 2018... and the moderates in Swing States who turned red seats BLUE.

💙💛

[empedocles]

14. TY

[Cha]

16. You're Welcome

TY

💙💛

[FloridaBlues]

15. I caught the last few mins and people wonder why dems lose.

Nothing like putting down your own party . Was very disappointed in ms sanders and her thoughts.

[LiberalFighter]

23. I was too. I'm also dreading her having her own show.

[Budi]

17. They are not in it to support the Democratic Party. They never were.

They've been at this for 7 years.

Here's a tweet from their own acct, in their very own words announcing their clear intent.

2017 they told us.
Justice Democrats have admitted that they are actively engaged in a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party.



Make of it what you will..it's their words from their official twitter in 2017.

Its pretty undisputably clear.

[Hortensis]

33. This. People who share our ideals and goals join us. They ARE us.

Look to people's behaviors, not just words, to know who they are. What these people did in the past shows what they'll do in the future, and what they assisted the Republicans to bring down on us in 2016 is still happening.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

38. I am on the Justice Democrats email feed

I have been amused that these non-democrats are mad that the DCCC is raising more money than ever and that their fundraising has declined significantly. I laugh when these emails complain about regular democrats i.e, corporate democrats

This group is out to destroy the Democr

[Cha]

42. Yeah, we know, JD.. you're Divisive &

have no interest in our Democracy or the health of the Planet. It's all $$$$$$$, Gaslight & bringing down Good Dems.

💙💛

[Budi]

46. They've all become millionares in just a few short years.

The very thing they sloganeered against to gain notoriety.
We need to count all the PACS, & Private Pacs of Pacs that have appeared just in the last 2 years affiliated with their organization.

They can all buy in to Exely's growing Email list to fundraise from. Its around a million$$ for a partial list.
Oddly, Exley hadn't a list at all until he returned from his visit to Russia in 2013.
Then man, did he rapidly grow his organization from Brand New Congress to JDems, (which is now conveniently also listed as a Super PAC), fully equipped with emali lists, staff & a ready & massive social media campaign to keep the memes trending.

It's quite the sordid tale of exactly who they described themselves to be, in their own words in 2017.
They all became multimillionares.
And here we are.

Its a Populist's game.

[Cha]

47. TY.. Shocking.. they're

Hypocrites.

💙💛

[Budi]

48. Its money & media anymore.

Their ties to Silicon Valley certainly offered them that mass messaging advantage.

Quite the backstory!

[JoeOtterbein]

19. The time to fight for one's beliefs is now...

...during the primaries.

Or, should we wait until the general?

[LiberalFighter]

24. Definitely now! Don't allow them any entry.

[JoeOtterbein]

26. Yep!

Stop them in their slimy tracks!

[lapucelle]

27. Glad you agree that as Democrats we need to fight now to stop a "hostile takeover of our party".

It would be great to see an updated exposé on how genocide denier Cenk Uyugur started his media company in 2014 with seed money from Republican billionaire Buddy Roemer. Even Politico wrote about it in 2014.

The Young Turks Raise $4 Million From a Republican Politician

A private equity fund led by former Louisiana governor Buddy Roemer will help former MSNBC host Cenk Uygur expand his online video network

https://www.thewrap.com/young-turks-raise-4-million-republican-politician/

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-the-young-turks-raises-4-million-from-former-louisiana-governor-20140416-story.html

https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/04/buddy-roemer-firm-invests-4-million-in-young-turks-network-186934

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As for Corbin Trent, he should be exposed as an unethical user so entitled that he has no problem saying the quiet part out loud.

Theo [Anderson]: What is your relationship to the Democratic Party?

Corbin [Trent]: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party has?—?a long time ago?—?stopped representing the needs of the American people.

https://inthesetimes.com/article/brand-new-congress-progressives-republican-party-democrat

[empedocles]

29. As Speaker Pelosi oft says, 'we need to win general elections - to make Democratic polices.

[lapucelle]

30. That's why it's imperative to be aware of outside operatives not committed to Democratic Party

values and principles, but who instead are simply using our party's infrastructure and resources to advance their own agendas.

[Historic NY]

31. And we know who they are but apparently many don't

we've seen them rear their heads in the last several cycles, they are committed to only one candidate and no one else.

[empedocles]

32. Those short-sighted interests

[Hortensis]

34. If ONLY they'd just been committed TO Bernie Sanders.

And weren't even more basically ANTI- Democrat. That would have been relatively harmless.

Their anti-establishment/anti- mainstream Democratic Party hostilities and ambitions are wired into their personalities, but they can never prevail against far larger numbers of mainstream progressive liberals, and in better times progressive conservatives. Always a splinter group, never the bride.

In any case, when Sanders is no longer viable, they'll transfer hostilities to another charismatic populist leader. If they can find and create one. Someone mentioned Marianne Williamson (!), but, other issues aside, I don't think a woman's likely to appeal to the populists and authoritarians who chose Sanders.

*************

Speaking of, speculation over possibilities in view now might make an interesting/amusing/appalling thread. Authoritarians crave a strongman opposition-smasher. Populists like to choose someone from the establishment they want to destroy but see as an outsider in it. (Note that both billionaire tRump and U.S. senator Sanders fit the pattern.)

Russia-supporter Glenn Greenwald, who's been trying to style himself here as "just one of us concerned Democratic guys," has a long history of criticizing and smearing the Democratic Party, with endless quotes to trot out to prove it, so he might have a chance, and a run would boost his name rec and marketability. Btw, just noticed Sanders "doesn't rule out" running in 2024.

[Cha]

44. Mahalo for this report on corbin trent,

lapucelle!

Divisive and Drags on the Democratic Party.. just what the M$$$$M craves to promote.

💙💛

[LetMyPeopleVote]

35. There are historical trends that should not be ignored

I do not want to ignore reality. While the historical trends indicate that the party in power will lose seats, there are factors being reported are encouraging. If the SCOTUS strikes down Roe, the Democrats need to jump on this. In addition, inflation should lessen by the November midterms and the GOP attacks on LGBTQ and other social issues should back fire.

The press has covered Rick Scott's plan to raise taxes and sunset social security, medicare, medicaid and other policies. The Democrat are jumping on these proposals

It is not a given that Democrats will lose one or both houses. To me, this reporting means that we need to work hard to keep McCarthy out as Speaker

[LiberalFighter]

36. The problem is the media wants to hype it all negatively.

Need to give our side hope.

Sort of like the Ukranians.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

37. I am planning on working hard w/o regard to the media

Complaining about the media does little good. I have wanted MSNBC to fire Chuck Todd and Chris Hayes for years.

We need work on issues that we can control.

[Cha]

40. Precisely.. the M$$$$$$M Enables those

who Drag on the Democratic Party.. We've seen it for Decades and a big reason Fascism got in the WH.

💙💛

[Novara]

39. Well, we ARE gong to lose if Congress doesn't pass voting protections.

Congress gave up when Manchin and Sinema protected the filibuster rather than the voters.

Nineteen states have passed 34 laws restricting voting. And the Dems aren't even running on this issue, let alone trying to fix it.

No amount of turnout will change the laws currently on the books in 19 states that allow the GOP to overturn election results. Some people think that if we just vote in overwhelming numbers, they won't dare overturn our votes. Do you trust the GOP that much? The laws are on the books - they can question our votes and reject them. Why the hell wouldn't they do just that?

And I'll let you guys in on a little secret: it's OK to criticize our own. It doesn't mean you are disloyal and it may be the only way to get them to change and to do more of the things we want from them. So let your representatives and senators know when you are not pleased with what they are doing. They're supposed to represent us.

Why nobody thinks voter suppression is an emergency is beyond me. The midterms will not be a legitimate election with these voter suppression laws on the books.

It scares me to death.

[SoonerPride]

43. So you prefer them just lying to make you feel better?

I can tell myself I am going to win the lottery too.

[Budi]

49. So their contuious debasing of the Dems for 7 long years is Truthtelling??

They've convinced a demographic that they will win the 'lottery full of free shit' if they believe the 7 year relentless debasing.

That's propaganda.