What Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance, and Others Are Learning From Curtis Yarvin and the New Right - VF
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Vance believes that a well-educated and culturally liberal American elite has greatly benefited from globalization, the financialization of our economy, and the growing power of big tech. This has led an Ivy League intellectual and management class—a quasi-aristocracy he calls “the regime”—to adopt a set of economic and cultural interests that directly oppose those of people in places like Middletown, Ohio, where he grew up. In the Vancian view, this class has no stake in what people on the New Right often call the “real economy”—the farm and factory jobs that once sustained middle-class life in Middle America. This is a fundamental difference between New Right figures like Vance and the Reaganite right-wingers of their parents’ generation. To Vance—and he’s said this—culture war is class warfare.
Vance recently told an interviewer, “I gotta be honest with you, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine,” a flick at the fact that he thinks the American-led global order is as much about enriching defense contractors and think-tank types as it is about defending America’s interests. “I do care about the fact that in my community right now the leading cause of death among 18- to 45-year-olds is Mexican fentanyl.” His criticisms of big tech as “enemies of Western civilization” often get lost in the run of Republican outrage over Trump being kicked off Twitter and Facebook, though they go much deeper than this. Vance believes that the regime has sold an illusive story that consumer gadgets and social media are constantly making our lives better, even as wages stagnate and technology feeds an epidemic of depression.
I wrote a piece that came across as critical of him. It expressed my deep hopelessness about the future of America. I figured he’d want nothing more to do with me. But the morning it was published he sent me a short, heartfelt email. He said that he’d been a bit “pained” to read in the piece that my parents disliked him but said he’d like to talk more. “I don’t see you as a member of the elite because I see you as independent of their ideological strictures and incentives,” he wrote. “But maybe I’m just saying that because I like you.”
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“Despair,” he signed off, “serves the regime.”
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with anti unionism and globalization, but according to the New Right, liberal elites who bought into it are really to blame. So they say we need a right wing monarchy/autocracy/fascism and get rid of government in retaliation to the educated elite who are an oligarchy. Progressivism is poison too. (Except in New Zealand apparently where Thiel has an escape hatch). White men needs to be catered to with jobs. (Which is why the right stopped BBB)
Religion needs to take over from liberalism.
Basically just flushing out a false creation myth for fascism. They call it monarchy because some of them want one leader but that is probably so they can attack anyone they deem an elite and economically Khmer Rouge them as a future power base by taking their livelihoods.
I would ask what role corruption seems to be playing in the right these days, because it is everywhere in the US now, but they don't mention that. And it is the poison in so much of the world. Ask anyone who lives it. Pakistan, Haiti, Lebanon, they suffer so badly from economic strife because of corruption. It is, according to the New Right, the educated elites that are getting educated and then getting jobs to do something to help something that are the real corruption according to these guys.
It seems to them (they want you to think it seems to them) functioning as a society: education, work, intellectual life, connecting, civil society, being an expert on anything, are together such a giant evil thing to do. I feel like they don't want to educated elite to exist, just as the workers will die off in the dystopia they are in fact trying to continue to create, just with different window dressing than the one the GOP has/is creating. These are not people happy to have to share the planet with us.
I think Biden needs to trim down government now that computers do so much and be seen to want a lean government.Chretien did some trimming and it was appreciated by the public so much so we in Canada next elected his finance Minister PM. For sure government programs that work should stay. They need more IRS workers to collect the unpaid taxes in the 100s of Billions of dollars. If he is leaning up the government he needs to brag. He is bringing jobs home. He can step on this "movement" as they are stealing ideas from him to make it a palatable movement. We need to show what Biden has done to bring jobs back. Show that the right really stole the jobs that 'turned' them into lost men. That Biden is putting made in america in all of his legislative policy. That he is for more unions and is actively promotinng that. That he is the real MacCoy. He needs to stamp these guys out by refuting their false creation myth blaming/combining ceos with Democrats and educated elites in being solely responsible for distress among the (white) males. It was all initiated by the GOP. It's a five foot square grass fire of false issues they have grabbed onto. Stamp it out!
The incels? Well no doubt domestic violence enforcement created many incels as they are too chicken to go to jail and women are too well versed in their rights, and what abuse is, to hang with them. By continuing to create a dystopia by destroying government, which will undo these safer laws and education for women, abuse in the home will create the next crop of incels. They need the cycle of abuse to return. Biden has fought for women's rights and for things like the stopping violence against women act. I worked at a housing non profit when a provincial neo con Premier was elected. First thing he did was cut all community education in non profits. This is old stuff. That was 1995.
With no government they neglect to mention the increasing lives of despair that will be led and have been led because of all right wing policies so far. They will reinforce the lives of despair only they will include educated people in that subclass. No middle class. It will be a feed back loop for them. I guess they want a system that will outlive the long one Hitler wanted.
The New Right's policies that mean they are gunning for left wing voters: 1) Blaming ceos, high tech and educated elites together 2) bringing back jobs, 3) trying to look less explosively racist? Yup the New Right are gunning for Democratic voters on the left, white males specifically, but they'll take anyone. And they are working out a philosophy to have it all make sense.
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“So there’s this guy Curtis Yarvin, who has written about some of these things,” Vance said. Murphy chortled knowingly. “So one [option] is to basically accept that this entire thing is going to fall in on itself,” Vance went on. “And so the task of conservatives right now is to preserve as much as can be preserved,” waiting for the “inevitable collapse” of the current order.
He said he thought this was pessimistic. “I tend to think that we should seize the institutions of the left,” he said. “And turn them against the left. We need like a de-Baathification program, a de-woke-ification program.”
“I think Trump is going to run again in 2024,” he said. “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”
“And when the courts stop you,” he went on, “stand before the country, and say—” he quoted Andrew Jackson, giving a challenge to the entire constitutional order—“the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”
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Look at this:
https://politicalwire.com/2022/04/21/the-parties-have-very-different-approaches-to-governing/
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The Parties Have Different Approaches to Governing
April 21, 2022 at 3:00 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 13 Comments
Jonathan Bernstein: “Republicans are happy to put anyone in office as long as they’ll be a reliable vote. Democrats are looking more for substance from politicians. That didn’t used to be the case — as recently as the 1980s, neither party had a reputation for politicians who were more prepared or took the job more seriously. Then Republicans nominated George W. Bush for the presidency with far too limited experience. And then they nominated Trump.”
“Of course, there are Republicans in Congress — and in statehouses and other positions — who take governing seriously, and Democrats who don’t. But the parties are no longer equal in that respect.”
“One of the sad things about all of this is that partisan polarization among voters has actually made candidates less important. Theoretically, at least, that should give parties more freedom to nominate candidates based on experience and an expressed interest in public affairs. Parties still care about any small potential advantages they can get, and in a close campaign even very small factors matter. So that may sometimes argue for a know-nothing celebrity candidate. But the truth is, Republicans could really use some legislative talent in Congress — especially if they win control of it in November.”
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The nonsense faction of Americans will no doubt be who fully replace the educated elite under Thiel. There has always been a bureaucratic class in religions, monarchies and Democracies, communism and autocracies. They know details. What could go wrong with non experts running things? More mayhem?
