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RandySF

(58,911 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 01:02 PM Apr 2022

Florida Dept. of Health issues guidelines telling doctors to medically de-transition trans. youth.


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NEW: The Florida Department of Health just issued guidelines telling doctors to medically de-transition all transgender youth and banned them from social transition treatment, including “name, pronoun, and clothing changes.”



Link to Memo:

https://www.floridahealth.gov/_documents/newsroom/press-releases/2022/04/20220420-gender-dysphoria-guidance.pdf
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Florida Dept. of Health issues guidelines telling doctors to medically de-transition trans. youth. (Original Post) RandySF Apr 2022 OP
These people are just f&cking mean. Ocelot II Apr 2022 #1
There's no question about it any more. lpbk2713 Apr 2022 #2
If I was a doctor, a teacher, a professor I'd get the hell out of Florida. blue neen Apr 2022 #3
Enough. Time for the Feds to step in Takket Apr 2022 #4
WAY past time for the feds to step in... IngridsLittleAngel Apr 2022 #25
Who was the evil Dr in Hitler's regime who experimented on children, women, men Budi Apr 2022 #5
I just feel sick Hekate Apr 2022 #6
Unless it's some sort of official order or law, as a Doctor I would do what the parents/child wants. scarletlib Apr 2022 #7
you would do what the parents want Tickle Apr 2022 #13
Doctors should do what the parents/child want. Not be dicatated to by politicians with an agenda. scarletlib Apr 2022 #17
Some people have been tickled too much... IngridsLittleAngel Apr 2022 #22
The nonenforceable guidelines single out socially transitioning rather than just medically transitio LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #8
As a UCLA Alumni, I am ashamed that fool went to or worked at my school. Caliman73 Apr 2022 #10
One correction: Nastier than anything Paxton and Abbott are trying to do YET Bettie Apr 2022 #15
I got to get my name changed asap I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #9
Find out the cost, get all paperwork signed off and ready obamanut2012 Apr 2022 #12
What is a gfm? I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #18
Go Fund Me IngridsLittleAngel Apr 2022 #23
This is seriously criminal and dehumanizing. Initech Apr 2022 #11
Florida needs to be cut off from the free world vercetti2021 Apr 2022 #14
Stop all federal subsidies and grants and loans that local governments rely on. lindysalsagal Apr 2022 #16
Yes! I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #19
how are you going to enforce a kid's "clothing changes". Bounty on girls in dockers? Demovictory9 Apr 2022 #20
The guidance is evil, no doubt. Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #21
Another day, another attack.. IngridsLittleAngel Apr 2022 #24

Ocelot II

(115,735 posts)
1. These people are just f&cking mean.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 01:06 PM
Apr 2022

They're hurting kids just because the MAGAts like it. Wonder how many families will leave FL on account of this?

blue neen

(12,322 posts)
3. If I was a doctor, a teacher, a professor I'd get the hell out of Florida.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 01:09 PM
Apr 2022

DeathSantis is telling everyone how to do their professional jobs. Bullshit.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
25. WAY past time for the feds to step in...
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 05:13 AM
Apr 2022

And Florida sure is, as are all these other states. Each day, they invent new ways to inflict more abuse upon kids.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
5. Who was the evil Dr in Hitler's regime who experimented on children, women, men
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 01:15 PM
Apr 2022

Mengele?

This is no less abhorrent.

scarletlib

(3,412 posts)
7. Unless it's some sort of official order or law, as a Doctor I would do what the parents/child wants.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 01:21 PM
Apr 2022

If it is an official order, doctors/parents should sue. Should be easy to prove this is based on politics not sound medical practice.

scarletlib

(3,412 posts)
17. Doctors should do what the parents/child want. Not be dicatated to by politicians with an agenda.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 04:18 PM
Apr 2022

I think doctors and/or parents have an option to sue the state for interfering in accepted medical practices.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
22. Some people have been tickled too much...
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 05:07 AM
Apr 2022

As a result, they have agendas.

Don't mind that one. They openly show their agenda, and supporting the trans community is not part of it.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,321 posts)
8. The nonenforceable guidelines single out socially transitioning rather than just medically transitio
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 01:24 PM
Apr 2022

The Florida Guidelines are non-enforceable but are actually nastier than what Paxton and Abbott are trying to do in Texas



https://19thnews.org/2022/04/florida-transgender-medical-social-transition/

“DeSantis has asserted that government not only knows better than parents and doctors what care to provide to children, but that government knows better than parents what clothes their kids should wear, what name they should be given, and what pronouns they should be referred to with,” he said.

Jeremy Redfern, press secretary for the Florida Department of Health, said in an email that the department’s guidelines are not enforced by the state. The guidelines are intended to inform health care practitioners, patients and families, he said.

Florida’s health agency cites a peer-reviewed 2020 analysis of German children with gender dysphoria as evidence for its recommendation against allowing transgender youth to socially transition. The study found that peer and family support should be provided instead of encouraging a trans child to socially transition, since the authors could not prove a direct link between socially transitioning and improved mental health. By contrast, pediatricians who work with trans youth say the reversible and affirming practice helps lessen depression and anxiety.

Liz Frederick, who lives in Orange Park, Florida, is helping her 13-year-old son, AJ, socially transition alongside his medical transition. She sees it as a very important part of supporting him.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
10. As a UCLA Alumni, I am ashamed that fool went to or worked at my school.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 02:05 PM
Apr 2022

If he has a medical license, it needs to be stripped. He needs to be condemned by the AMA and APA immediately.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
15. One correction: Nastier than anything Paxton and Abbott are trying to do YET
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 04:01 PM
Apr 2022

I have no doubt that they and other right wing assho--governors/officials will follow suit very soon.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
9. I got to get my name changed asap
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 01:58 PM
Apr 2022

And my gender marker too. By October.

Anyone know any pro bono lawyers that could help me with this,help me get papers changed etc.

I am afraid if republicans get control I will never be able to do it and I will be stuck with my deadname.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
14. Florida needs to be cut off from the free world
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 03:58 PM
Apr 2022

They wanna go fascist. Fine then be treated as such. Allow people to leave and thats that. No federal aid for hurricanes or shit

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
16. Stop all federal subsidies and grants and loans that local governments rely on.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 04:12 PM
Apr 2022

De-fund the effing crap out of florida. Keep payments directly to citizens, but close the spigot on money governments can spend until they recognize the constitutional rights of citizens.

AND EFFING TAX THE CHURCH!!!!!

Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
20. how are you going to enforce a kid's "clothing changes". Bounty on girls in dockers?
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:19 PM
Apr 2022

Bounty on boys with shirts that button in the girl direction?

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
21. The guidance is evil, no doubt.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:36 PM
Apr 2022

But I don't see the memo (1) telling doctors to detransition all transgender youth or (2) banning social transition treatment.

I do not believe the guidelines have the force of law, and, aside from anything else, doctors are not in charge of name, pronoun, and clothing changes.

Note: I'm absolutely NOT supporting the guidelines. I just want us to be scrupulously honest in describing them. They are bad enough without giving the other side an inch of wiggle room to claim we are lying about them.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
24. Another day, another attack..
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 05:12 AM
Apr 2022

Now telling doctors to "de-transition"... How many steps are we now away from ordering conversion therapy? 1? Maybe 2?

Everyday these fascists try to outdo each other, gain the lead in the race to the bottom, see who can be the most evil. And like the "tough guys" they are, the target is one of the most vulnerable communities out there...

Children, no less!

Rest assured: They succeed on this, it'll be "de-transitioning" adults next.

Should any trans youth in Florida take their own life over this shit? Wrongful death lawsuits for everyone. Seriously.

Fuck DeSantis. Fuck the Department of Unhealth. Fuck Florida.

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