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BREAKING: Trump refused to honor NATO Treaty (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2022 OP
One of the WORST human beings EVER bluestarone Apr 2022 #1
He is wondering why the "Fake news" didn't put it out. Maraya1969 Apr 2022 #2
They've reloaded lame54 Apr 2022 #15
The problem is.... A HERETIC I AM Apr 2022 #62
Who is surprised by this? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #3
Hell, TFG is famous for not paying his own bills and has probably broken every contract... thenelm1 Apr 2022 #6
Breaking? He campaigned on it. Make7 Apr 2022 #4
"Have they fulfilled their obligation to us? If they fulfill their obligation... Enter stage left Apr 2022 #12
Not only does he not understand why it exists, the dumb bastards thinks they pay us Ray Bruns Apr 2022 #26
Ya... Not a shocker Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #28
Payments?! AncientOfDays Apr 2022 #36
Exactly right! it's like everyone has amnesia? Maybe it was information overload at the time. msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #46
This is what he always said so it isn't a surprise. In fact some from the DSA pushed the same crap JohnSJ Apr 2022 #5
No surprise. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2022 #7
Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! Fla Dem Apr 2022 #8
Fact: his point that the EU pay its fair share on defense is fully supported by his voters. ancianita Apr 2022 #9
Nice defense of Trump denbot Apr 2022 #48
Your interpretation. ancianita Apr 2022 #55
Seems pretty clear to me.. denbot Apr 2022 #56
That's rich, coming from Piss wig when he's NEVER paid his own bills. onecaliberal Apr 2022 #10
Twitter replies: Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #11
TY Putin's Puppet... Hillary Called it in Cha Apr 2022 #22
In my view, proof the Fourth Estate is on board in protecting national security bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #13
Having the NATO countries get current on their dues in not the top priority you dumb shit. Patterson Apr 2022 #14
They aren't "Dues". Caliman73 Apr 2022 #32
That is the same mindset that caused millions to die from covid ecstatic Apr 2022 #44
Inhuman cocksucker. BlueIdaho Apr 2022 #16
Yeah, and we Better keep that.. Cha Apr 2022 #21
This is Trump, so we have to ask: did he really? JHB Apr 2022 #17
Does it matter? dwayneb Apr 2022 #33
No wonder why the French President Marconi tweeted this on 7 Nov 2020 irisblue Apr 2022 #18
Rt💖🤷‍♂️TY for that, irisblue! Cha Apr 2022 #20
That tweet always struck me as too memorable irisblue Apr 2022 #23
Well Fucking Blabber Assmouth, putin Stooge Cha Apr 2022 #19
piece of shit... bahboo Apr 2022 #24
This is news? He made it plain that he thought it was a protection racket & they weren't paying ... Hekate Apr 2022 #25
I agree. H2O Man Apr 2022 #35
He repeatedly denounced NATO during his campaign and in office msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #60
K and R Stuart G Apr 2022 #27
Just shows a complete an utter lack of America's place in keeping world order and the benefits we Pepsidog Apr 2022 #29
Ok... BWdem4life Apr 2022 #30
I wish his poor health status would catch up with him quickly. milestogo Apr 2022 #31
Here's hoping this bastard NEVER gets anywhere near the White House again! calimary Apr 2022 #34
I don't know why there's a debate on whether Trump was the worst president in our history ificandream Apr 2022 #37
I agree. And he is by far the stupidest and most corrupt president in the history of our nation. smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #45
Well, I don't see a lot of people saying that. At least yet. ificandream Apr 2022 #50
So you don't think he is the stupidest and most corrupt president ever? smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #53
Another Trump extortion grift... LudwigPastorius Apr 2022 #38
If this is what he said to the President of NATO, imagine what he told Putin, his handler. sop Apr 2022 #39
K&R ck4829 Apr 2022 #40
What is funny is that some of TFG's biggest supporters would not want those countries to do that. brewens Apr 2022 #41
Fucking traitor was definitely on Putin's payroll. Emile Apr 2022 #42
++ Good Kid Berwyn Apr 2022 #51
Oh, so he *wanted* it to get out? ecstatic Apr 2022 #43
Tfg foreign policy Marcuse Apr 2022 #47
President (tfg) Clueless! 2live is 2fly Apr 2022 #49
Mafia thugs Hekate Apr 2022 #52
How is this breaking? I am not at all shocked by this! Initech Apr 2022 #54
and remember... myohmy2 Apr 2022 #57
Why am I not surprised ... BlueWavePsych Apr 2022 #58
If you wanted to know why Putin didn't invade while Traitor Trump was kairos12 Apr 2022 #59
Anyone surprised? twodogsbarking Apr 2022 #61

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
2. He is wondering why the "Fake news" didn't put it out.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 07:53 PM
Apr 2022

I'm glad that he is talking. The more he talks the more ammo we get.

And.................the whole world dodged a bullet when Biden was elected.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
62. The problem is....
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 05:22 PM
Apr 2022

the amount of damage to the world order Trumpy was able to foment in the 4 years he was President is extraordinary.

It will take decades to get past this, IF we survive the next ten.
We are on the verge of WWIII if the free nations of the world aren't extremely careful and stop Putin and his ambitions, so it might not matter much what the fuck happens if all of this shit in Eastern Europe goes bugshit southbound.

thenelm1

(854 posts)
6. Hell, TFG is famous for not paying his own bills and has probably broken every contract...
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:18 PM
Apr 2022

he ever signed his name on.

Make7

(8,543 posts)
4. Breaking? He campaigned on it.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:01 PM
Apr 2022
July 21, 2016

SANGER: I was just in the Baltic States. They are very concerned obviously about this new Russian activism, they are seeing submarines off their coasts, they are seeing airplanes they haven’t seen since the Cold War coming, bombers doing test runs. If Russia came over the border into Estonia or Latvia, Lithuania, places that Americans don’t think about all that often, would you come to their immediate military aid?

TRUMP: I don’t want to tell you what I’d do because I don’t want Putin to know what I’d do. I have a serious chance of becoming president and I’m not like Obama, that every time they send some troops into Iraq or anyplace else, he has a news conference to announce it.

SANGER: They are NATO members, and we are treaty-obligated ——

TRUMP: We have many NATO members that aren’t paying their bills.

SANGER: That’s true, but we are treaty-obligated under NATO, forget the bills part.

TRUMP: You can’t forget the bills. They have an obligation to make payments. Many NATO nations are not making payments, are not making what they’re supposed to make. That’s a big thing. You can’t say forget that.

SANGER: My point here is, Can the members of NATO, including the new members in the Baltics, count on the United States to come to their military aid if they were attacked by Russia? And count on us fulfilling our obligations ——

TRUMP: Have they fulfilled their obligations to us? If they fulfill their obligations to us, the answer is yes.

HABERMAN: And if not?

TRUMP: Well, I’m not saying if not. I’m saying, right now there are many countries that have not fulfilled their obligations to us.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html

And I'm still convinced Trump doesn't understand why NATO exists.

Enter stage left

(3,396 posts)
12. "Have they fulfilled their obligation to us? If they fulfill their obligation...
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:41 PM
Apr 2022

to us, the answer is yes."

THIS FROM A FUCKING CHEATING ASSHOLE WHO NEVER PAID CONTRACTORS HIS OBLIGATION TO THEM.

Ray Bruns

(4,098 posts)
26. Not only does he not understand why it exists, the dumb bastards thinks they pay us
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:57 PM
Apr 2022

Stupidest man on the planet.

AncientOfDays

(163 posts)
36. Payments?!
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:22 PM
Apr 2022

My understanding is there are NO "payments" to some NATO entity - it's just how much each NATO country military budgets - for their own defense (and hopefully help other members if needed). The US CHOOSES to maintain a massive military expenditure.

(yes, there are payments for NATO headquarters/etc, but that's not the "payments" tRump is talking about.)

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
46. Exactly right! it's like everyone has amnesia? Maybe it was information overload at the time.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 11:55 AM
Apr 2022

in terms of intentions he made clear in his campaign in 2015/2016 but then in early on his reign of terror, bragged about it.

JohnSJ

(92,219 posts)
5. This is what he always said so it isn't a surprise. In fact some from the DSA pushed the same crap
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:14 PM
Apr 2022

and of course we know the dirt little secret about republicans subscribing to this BS

ancianita

(36,094 posts)
9. Fact: his point that the EU pay its fair share on defense is fully supported by his voters.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:35 PM
Apr 2022

Also, Trump didn't refuse to honor the treaty, he said he just put conditions on honoring the treaty.

I hate every damn time he speaks, but as long as people are posting his stuff here, I have to say that while his voters hate that we've overpaid for EU defense for too long, and while he put conditions on his support of NATO countries, we know that this "closed door" bluster is the same as his past bluster about making Mexico pay for 'the wall,' -- we know he wouldn't keep his word to even stay in NATO, nevermind join it to fight Russia.

President Biden's approach is to tell the EU that we'll carry the load, but NATO countries MUST implement stronger sanctions and refuse to buy ANY oil & gas from Russia.

Most Americans see that Biden's is absolutely the best way to keep the alliance strong, and that we should remain in NATO.

ancianita

(36,094 posts)
55. Your interpretation.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 09:39 PM
Apr 2022

You obviously don't understand the difference between a correction of the headline and a defense -- or even the body of one post.

So yes, please do read the body of my 26,000+ posts.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
13. In my view, proof the Fourth Estate is on board in protecting national security
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 08:47 PM
Apr 2022

And TDFG is so dim-witted he can't figure out why it wasn't widely reported at the time.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
32. They aren't "Dues".
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:14 PM
Apr 2022

Each member pledges to spend a certain percentage of their GDP on defense. While it would be good for Europeans to pay more for their defense, I seriously doubt that it would make the United States pay less for ours. Trump sees everything as a transaction and he just wants to believe that HE is getting the better end of the deal. He wants to pull a fast one on everyone. That is how he feels he is winning.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
44. That is the same mindset that caused millions to die from covid
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 08:02 AM
Apr 2022

He got rid of our pandemic defenses, supposedly due to cost, and left us and the entire world unprotected. Cost us way more than whatever he thought he was saving at the time. Although I do think someone convinced him to do that. puti, perhaps?

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
16. Inhuman cocksucker.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:01 PM
Apr 2022

So proud to now have an honorable President who respects treaties and human rights!

JHB

(37,161 posts)
17. This is Trump, so we have to ask: did he really?
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:06 PM
Apr 2022

As opposed to being all pissy and pouty and complaining they should spend more.

All cowardly blowhards paint themselves as more dramatic and resolute after the fact.

dwayneb

(768 posts)
33. Does it matter?
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:18 PM
Apr 2022

Whether he did or didn't, tonight he made it very clear where his allegiance lies. He has always been beholden to Putin, they are birds of a feather.

If the US keeps going down this path, and ultimately refuses to support NATO, Western democracy is doomed. Just a matter of time before Europe is under the boot.

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
23. That tweet always struck me as too memorable
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:22 PM
Apr 2022

And Pres Macron made sure the apricothellbeast in the 2017 Paris visit was cynosure of everything that visit.

Cha

(297,322 posts)
19. Well Fucking Blabber Assmouth, putin Stooge
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:07 PM
Apr 2022

let it out himself.. fucking traitor to the USA.

💙💛

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
25. This is news? He made it plain that he thought it was a protection racket & they weren't paying ...
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 09:41 PM
Apr 2022

… the US enough. He also thought it was some kind of trade agreement.

As he himself was, so he saw the world.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
35. I agree.
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:20 PM
Apr 2022

I appreciate the OP, and it is important that the public is reminded. The specific incident might not have been reported, but there was more than enough information available to have understood Trump was opposed to NATO. Since Putin opposed NATO, of course Trump would.

If Trump had stolen the election, and remained in power, he'd be sending military aid to Putin today.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
60. He repeatedly denounced NATO during his campaign and in office
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 08:52 AM
Apr 2022

Of course he refused to renew the treaty. he telegraphed his intentions in the open.

This is certainly NOT "Breaking News"

unless a reader has been locked up in a basement for the past several years.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
29. Just shows a complete an utter lack of America's place in keeping world order and the benefits we
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:05 PM
Apr 2022

derive from leading the world. The idiot thinks that America is a retail cash and carry operation.

BWdem4life

(1,675 posts)
30. Ok...
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:08 PM
Apr 2022

But is he telling the truth, which doesn't happen often, or is he just throwing shit out there that he thinks his base will lap up and will keep himself in the news getting free press? Who cares whether or not it's negative?

calimary

(81,322 posts)
34. Here's hoping this bastard NEVER gets anywhere near the White House again!
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:20 PM
Apr 2022

Not even if he paid for a tour.

Not even.

Hell, I don't want him anywhere near a PICTURE of the White House!

ificandream

(9,373 posts)
37. I don't know why there's a debate on whether Trump was the worst president in our history
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:29 PM
Apr 2022

I would bet my farm (if I had one) that future historians will overwhelmingly agree he was worse than any President before (and probably since, too, I predict).

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
45. I agree. And he is by far the stupidest and most corrupt president in the history of our nation.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 09:48 AM
Apr 2022

I don't think there is even a debate about that.

ificandream

(9,373 posts)
50. Well, I don't see a lot of people saying that. At least yet.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 06:02 PM
Apr 2022

Maybe it's a little early. But given all that happened in his term, I don't think so.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
53. So you don't think he is the stupidest and most corrupt president ever?
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 06:51 PM
Apr 2022

And you think most historians would debate that others were dumber and more corrupt than he was/is? Not unless they were highly partisan they wouldn't.

LudwigPastorius

(9,155 posts)
38. Another Trump extortion grift...
Thu Apr 21, 2022, 10:35 PM
Apr 2022

We'll never know just how much money that human fecal waste personally made by leveraging the office of the presidency and U.S. foreign policy.

Think what he did to Ukraine, and multiply that by how many countries we provide aid to.

brewens

(13,596 posts)
41. What is funny is that some of TFG's biggest supporters would not want those countries to do that.
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 07:50 AM
Apr 2022

They would much rather make all that money selling and giving away weapons they produce. Fuck the taxpayers.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
43. Oh, so he *wanted* it to get out?
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 07:58 AM
Apr 2022

🙄 And why is the dumbass amazed? It would be foolish for an ally to reveal something like that, that's if they even believed him. It's more likely they were laughing behind his back.

2live is 2fly

(336 posts)
49. President (tfg) Clueless!
Fri Apr 22, 2022, 05:33 PM
Apr 2022

Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2022, 08:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Who remembers when tfg honored our few remaining Navaho Code Talkers for their heroism during WW2. And how exactly DID tfg honor these few remaining Native American Warriors? Trump had said ceremony, along with the accompanying awards & metals presented under the dead black-hearted, smirking portrait of a guy who Trump thinks is the greatest POTUS - ever. Jackson is the POS' (also Steve Bannons') HERO. POTUS Jackson who used different tribes of Native Americans against one another, violating treaty after treaty. And in the end, he personally orchestrated, "The Indian Removal Act" infamously known by Indigenous People everywhere as "The Trail of Tears" But much more than tears fell along the trail. Many loved ones both young and old scattered along the way. How clueless does one have to be to conduct A Ceremony honoring the culture of Indigenous People - responsible for the Code Talkers, - under - The portraited gaze of the one President who worked to destroy that same culture. CLUELESS

myohmy2

(3,163 posts)
57. and remember...
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:11 AM
Apr 2022

...a vote for a Republican is a vote for Trump is a vote for Putin...

...R=T=P...

...for sure...

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
59. If you wanted to know why Putin didn't invade while Traitor Trump was
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 08:47 AM
Apr 2022

in office, now you know. Why spend blood and treasure when you have Benedict Trump in office destroying alliances.

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