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Carlitos Brigante

(26,505 posts)
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 11:57 AM Apr 2022

'Homophobic' first-class passenger accused of assaulting Delta flight attendant

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/homophobic-first-class-passenger-accused-of-assaulting-delta-flight-attendant/ar-AAWEp1O?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=d08eedcb0514419eabf15dd059ce6733

A passenger tried to intervene but it did not calm Morgan down, the complaint says. The flight attendant used a telephone near the cockpit to inform the pilot of Morgan's behavior. While he was on the phone, Morgan allegedly got out of his seat, grabbed the telephone and hit him in the chest with it, the flight attendant told federal investigators.

The passenger also told investigators that he saw Morgan throw the telephone at the flight attendant.

The complaint alleges that Morgan told the FBI that "the flight was homosexual and that this made him uncomfortable. When the flight attendant refused to serve Morgan another drink, he became angry."

"Morgan said that he is homophobic and that it is possible he could have been intimidating the flight attendants," it reads. "He said that his homophobia may have caused his temper towards the flight attendant to escalate."
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'Homophobic' first-class passenger accused of assaulting Delta flight attendant (Original Post) Carlitos Brigante Apr 2022 OP
Ya, I a bigot. So of course I assaulted someone. LakeArenal Apr 2022 #1
I'm Sure They'll Ban Him For A Few Months, Then Let Him Back On nt SoCalDavidS Apr 2022 #2
"the flight was homosexual" Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #3
I don't know this for a fact. But something tells me dude goes around town like this: Carlitos Brigante Apr 2022 #6
And here isy question CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #4
Where did that come from? Wednesdays Apr 2022 #7
I will tell ya. CrackityJones75 Apr 2022 #19
The "gay panic" defense has been used in court before. And won. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #21
Oh, those people on the left. What a bunch of... Iggo Apr 2022 #9
Damn some people! teach1st Apr 2022 #12
Crackity that is exactly how I read it as well. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #15
Yeah, given our history and judging by current events. This makes zero sense. nt Carlitos Brigante Apr 2022 #18
Doth newdayneeded Apr 2022 #5
Is he angling towards homophobics being a protected class? Iggo Apr 2022 #8
"It's not my fault, Your Honor. I have a syndrome! I have a condition! Aristus Apr 2022 #13
Yep, play the victim card PatSeg Apr 2022 #20
Christopher Alexander Morgan, you done done it now... Buns_of_Fire Apr 2022 #10
Thanks, but the link tells us nothing about this bigot. Laffy Kat Apr 2022 #11
I know. I was hoping for at least a mug shot. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2022 #16
Hopefully, we'll see it soon. Laffy Kat Apr 2022 #17
I smell projection vercetti2021 Apr 2022 #14
I wonder PatSeg Apr 2022 #22
Normally because it holds truth vercetti2021 Apr 2022 #23
Yes, very common with such people PatSeg Apr 2022 #25
Irony in that vercetti2021 Apr 2022 #26
And in his mind, PatSeg Apr 2022 #27
If this keeps up we may get whistler162 Apr 2022 #24

Johnny2X2X

(19,118 posts)
3. "the flight was homosexual"
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:03 PM
Apr 2022

How is a flight homosexual? What a lunatic.

What does a homosexual flight look like? Because those would probably be the flights that would be more fun to be on. Should I be looking for signs that my flight is gay? Is the lighting different? Should I be looking for pastels? Better fashion? Will the movie offerings be better?

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
4. And here isy question
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:07 PM
Apr 2022

Will we all of a sudden recognize homophobia as a disease and start excusing people’s behavior because of it? Because that sounds exactly like the type of stupid shot some people would do on the left. Sometimes our tolerance of intolerance baffles me.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
19. I will tell ya.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 03:27 PM
Apr 2022

Someone on here will call trump a fat slob. The we have a loooong string of replies arguing about how you can’t fat shame him. Followed by a string of replies about how democrats need to get tougher. Followed by a string of replies about how we have to play by the rules….

You watch someone here is going to pick up the homophobia is a disease…. Maybe not today but at some point.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
21. The "gay panic" defense has been used in court before. And won.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 03:47 PM
Apr 2022
https://lgbtqbar.org/programs/advocacy/gay-trans-panic-defense/


What is the LGBTQ+ “panic” defense?

The LGBTQ+ “panic” defense strategy is a legal strategy that asks a jury to find that a victim’s sexual orientation or gender identity/expression is to blame for a defendant’s violent reaction, including murder. It is not a free-standing defense to criminal liability, but rather a legal tactic used to bolster other defenses. When a perpetrator uses an LGBTQ+ “panic” defense, they are claiming that a victim’s sexual orientation or gender identity not only explains—but excuses—a loss of self-control and the subsequent assault. By fully or partially acquitting the perpetrators of crimes against LGBTQ+ victims, this defense implies that LGBTQ+ lives are worth less than others.

One of the most recognized cases that employed the LGBTQ+ “panic” defense was that of Matthew Shepard. In 1998, Matthew Shepard, a 21-year-old college student, was beaten to death by two men. The men attempted to use the LGBTQ+ “panic” defense to excuse their actions. Despite widespread public protest, the defense is still being used today.
What is the difference between the “gay/trans panic” defense and the “LGBTQ+ panic” defense?

The LGBTQ+ Bar uses “LGBTQ+ panic” rather than “gay/trans panic” because the former is an inclusive phrasing which recognizes that the defense strategy impacts all folks in the LGBTQ+ community. To refer to it as “gay/trans panic” excludes violence against those who do not identify as gay or transgender.
How is the defense used in court?

Traditionally, the LGBTQ+ “panic” defense has been used in three ways to mitigate a case of murder to manslaughter or justified homicide.

Defense of insanity or diminished capacity: The defendant alleges that a sexual proposition by the victim – due to their sexual orientation or gender identity – triggered a nervous breakdown in the defendant, causing an LGBTQ+ “panic.” This defense is based on an outdated psychological term, “gay panic disorder”, which was debunked by the American Psychiatric Association and removed from the DSM in 1973. Sadly, while the medical field has evolved with our increasingly just society, the legal field has yet to catch up.
Defense of provocation: The defense of provocation allows a defendant to argue that the victim’s proposition, sometimes termed a “non-violent sexual advance,” was sufficiently “provocative” to induce the defendant to kill the victim. Defendants claiming a “provocative” advance stigmatize behavior which, on its own, is not illegal or harmful, but is only considered “provocative” when it comes from an LGBTQ+ individual.
Defense of self-defense: Defendants claim they believed that the victim, because of their sexual orientation or gender identity/expression, was about to cause the defendant serious bodily harm. This defense is offensive and harmful because it argues that a person’s gender or sexual identity makes them more of a threat to safety. In addition, LGBTQ+ “panic” is often employed to justify violence when the victim’s behavior falls short of the serious bodily harm standard, or the defendant used a greater amount of force than reasonably necessary to avoid danger, such as using weapons when their attacker was unarmed.

Why is this an LGBTQ+ issue? Aren’t “panic” defenses used against all minority groups?

The LGBTQ+ “panic” defense frequently draws on stigmas particular to LGBTQ+ people, their sexualities, and their genders to justify horrific violence against LGBTQ+ individuals. The defense is rooted in homophobia and transphobia. Considering intersectionality, particular individuals have higher likelihoods of being victims of hate crimes. As we have seen in 2019, there has been an increase of transgender women of color being victims of hate crimes.

In the United States, the estimated adult LGBTQ+ community makes up 5.6 percent, an estimated 18.4 million people.
Hate crime statistics from the FBI show, however, that LGBTQ+ people are disproportionately targeted:
In 2019, there were 1,656 recorded hate crimes against people for their sexual orientation and gender identity. These hate crimes made up a combined 18.8 percent of motivation in single-bias hate crime incidents.
Research shows that 1 out of 5 lesbian, gay, and bisexual people living in the United States will experience a hate crime in their lifetime, and more than 1 out of 4 transgender people will.

We cannot maintain this unjust status quo!
How successful is the LGBTQ+ “panic” defense?

Juries have acquitted dozens of murderers of their crimes through a defense team’s use of an LGBTQ+ “panic” defense strategy. As recently as April 2018, an LGBTQ+ “panic” defense was used to mitigate a murder charge.

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DANIEL SPENCER

2015
Daniel Spencer was stabbed and murdered by his neighbor Robert Miller in September 2015. Miller claimed that he rejected a sexual advance from Spencer and acted in self defense when Spencer became agitated, but physical evidence disproved his claim that he was ever in danger. Miller’s conviction was mitigated from murder to criminally negligent manslaughter.

JENNIFER LAUDE

2014
US Marine Scott Pemberton was stationed in Olangapo City, Philippines, when he met Jennifer Laude. When he discovered her transgender status, he choked Laude until she lost consciousness and died. A Philippine court found Pemberton guilty of homicide, but the judge claimed the charge could not be elevated to the level of murder.

BELLA EVANGELISTA

2013
Bella Evangelista was a popular trans performer at many of Washington D.C.’s area bars and nightclubs was loved by many. On August 16, 2003, Antoine Jacobs fatally shot Bella three times after discovering her transgender status. The crime was charged as a hate crime; carrying a life sentence if convicted; however in 2005 Jacobs pled guilty to second-degree murder. On December 16 of that year Jacobs was sentenced to sixteen years and eight months followed by five years of supervised probation.

EVER OROZCO

2013
Ever Orozco, 69, was viciously stabbed to death by Steven Torres, 22, under a subway in Queens. Torres claimed that Orozco blew kisses at him and made other sexual advances. Torres was convicted of second-degree murder.

MARCO MCMILLIAN

2013
Marco McMillian was the first openly gay man to run for office in Mississippi. In February 2013, Lawrence Reed choked McMillian with a wallet chain, drowned him, doused his body in gasoline and set it on fire. Reed admitted to the murder but insisted he was defending himself against McMillian’s sexually aggressive advances. Prosecutors presented strong physical evidence showing no indication of an attack by McMillian. Reed was sentenced to life in prison.

FRANCISCO GONZALEZ FUENTES

2011
Pedro Garcia and Wilfredo Sanchez beat Francisco Gonzalez Fuentes, placed him in the bathtub, and stabbed him to death before dismembering his body and packing it into garbage bags. At trial, Garcia stated that Fuentes had told others that they were in a relationship, and Garcia attacked him because he was terrified that someone would think he was gay. The prosecution argued that Garcia was Fuentes’ live-in boyfriend. Sanchez was sentenced to death and Garcia received 60 years after agreeing to testify against Sanchez.

TERRANCE HAUSER

2008
Terrance Hauser was stabbed 61 times by his neighbor Joseph Biedermann. During his murder trial, Biedermann claimed that he passed out and woke up to Hauser holding a sword against his neck and attempting to sexually assault him. Biedermann claimed to be in such a panic that the only way he could escape was to stab Hauser 61 times, but evidence from the scene showed few signs of struggle. The jury acquitted Biedermann of first-degree murder.

TONY HUNTER

2008
Tony Hunter, a gay Maryland resident, was walking to a gay bar in Shaw, a DC neighborhood, when he was attacked by Robert Hannah. Hannah claimed that Hunter allegedly touched his crotch and butt in a sexually suggestive way, leading Hannah to hit Hunter in self-defense. After Hannah punched him in the face, Hunter fell backwards into a fence before falling to the ground and hitting his head on the pavement, resulting in a brain injury that the city’s medical examiner said caused his death.

ANGIE ZAPATA

2008
In July of 2008, 18-year-old Angie Zapata met 31-year-old Allen Andrade and they spent three days together, during which they had at least one sexual encounter. When Andrade discovered that Zapata was transgender, he viciously beat her with a fire extinguisher. Upon his arrest, Andrade said he thought he had “killed it.” Andrade was found guilty of both first-degree murder and a hate crime and was sentenced to life in prison.

GUIN “RICHIE” PHILLIPS

2003
Guin “Richie” Phillips was strangled to death before being placed in a suitcase and dumped into River Lake. Police arrested Joshua Cottrell for the murder. During the trial, Cottrell’s defense attorney claimed that Phillips made unwanted sexual advances and attempted to force Cottrell to have oral sex, but friends and family testified that Cottrell invited Phillips to his hotel room and posed questions of a sexual nature before attacking Phillips. Cottrell’s aunt testified that the murder was premeditated. The jury forewent charges of murder or reckless homicide and convicted Cottrell of second-degree manslaughter.

GWEN ARAUJO

2002
Gwen Araujo, a 17-year-old transgender woman, met Michael Magidson and José Merel online and the three engaged in consensual sex. Several months later, Magidson and Merel discovered that Araujo was transgender. They beat her repeatedly, strangled her, tied her up, and hit her with a shovel, killing her. At trial, Magidson’s attorney claimed that Magidson’s violence was caused by the shock of discovering Araujo was transgender. The jury deadlocked. In a second trial, however, the jury rejected Magidson’s claim and found him guilty of second-degree murder.

AHMED DABARRAN

2001
Ahmed Dabarran was an Assistant District Attorney in Fulton County, Georgia. He was struck over the head over a dozen times by Roderiqus Reshad Reed and died from his injuries. At trial, Reed’s attorney claimed that Reed killed Dabarran to protect himself from unwanted sexual advances. However, a medical examiner testified that Dabarran was asleep at the time of the murder. The jury acquitted Reed of the murder despite Reed’s full confession.

SCOTT AMEDURE

1995
Talk show host Jenny Jones was hosting a show that discussed the topic of secret admirers. Jonathan Schmitz was invited to participate and was surprised and embarrassed to see his male friend, Scott Amedure, confess to having a crush on him. Three days after the show, Schmitz drove to Amedure’s home and shot Amadure twice in the heart, killing him. At trial, Schmitz argued that he suffered from diminished capacity due to the “gay panic disorder” he experienced when Amedure revealed his attraction on the Jenny Jones Show, which rendered him unable to plan the killing, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The jury reduced the charge from premeditated murder to second-degree murder.

Even in instances where courts instruct jurors not to engage in bias, the implicit homophobic bias of hearing an LGBTQ+ “panic” defense can still influence the jury’s decision. For example, in cases where perpetrators are not acquitted as a result of an LGBTQ+ “panic” defense, the jury may still deadlock because it is unable to shake the inherent homophobia of the defense.

When it comes to deciding an LGBTQ+ individual’s right to life, a hung jury and a mitigated sentence have the same effect: Withholding justice from LGBTQ+ victims and sending the message that an LGBTQ+ person’s life is not equal within a court of law.
What can be done?

Some courts and legislatures have begun to curb the use of the LGBTQ+ “panic” defense, but many states are lagging behind. In order to ensure that the LGBTQ+ “panic” defense is not seen as a valid excuse, courts should instruct juries to make decisions without bias or prejudice. Jury instructions, however, are often not enough to ensure that people are not swayed by discriminatory appeals. Legislatures should specify that neither non-violent sexual advances nor the discovery of a person’s gender identity can be used as an adequate provocation for murder. Finally, local governments need to educate courts, prosecutors, defense counsel, and the public about the devastating individual and legal consequences of the LGBTQ+ “panic” defense.


More at the link

teach1st

(5,935 posts)
12. Damn some people!
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:54 PM
Apr 2022

Have "some people" on the left recognized racism as a disease so that they could excuse racist behavior? Misogyny? Why, then, would some people do so with homophobia?

Irish_Dem

(47,456 posts)
15. Crackity that is exactly how I read it as well.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:19 PM
Apr 2022

This is going to be the new defense for violence against LGBTs.

"I'm homophobic and I was triggered into violence."

This event almost sounds staged to mount the initial legal action.

Aristus

(66,467 posts)
13. "It's not my fault, Your Honor. I have a syndrome! I have a condition!
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:17 PM
Apr 2022
I'M THE VICTIM HERE!!!"

Anybody taking bets?...

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
20. Yep, play the victim card
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 03:38 PM
Apr 2022

Such people go from obnoxious bully to poor victim in lightning speed. Anything to protect themselves and excuse their uncivil behavior.

Laffy Kat

(16,386 posts)
11. Thanks, but the link tells us nothing about this bigot.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:53 PM
Apr 2022

It only recaps what happened and says they have nothing more on this guy. Frustrating.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,197 posts)
16. I know. I was hoping for at least a mug shot.
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:37 PM
Apr 2022

But hope springs eternal. With any luck, though, "Christopher Alexander Morgan" is at least being added to no-fly lists across the country.

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
22. I wonder
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 03:48 PM
Apr 2022

If these homophobic people realize that their hateful behavior just makes rational people immediately assume that they are in the closet. The observation is so commonplace that it is almost a cliché. You would think that would be enough for them to exert some self-control when they are in public. It is like they are wearing a sign proclaiming to the world that they hate themselves for their own sexuality.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
23. Normally because it holds truth
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 05:29 PM
Apr 2022

I think they are super uncomfortable about their own sexuality so they have to beat others down to feel better.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
26. Irony in that
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 05:44 PM
Apr 2022

My dad is a huge homophobic person. Yet he supplied sperm to my mom who birthed a bisexual transwoman

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
27. And in his mind,
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 05:48 PM
Apr 2022

I'm sure he blames your mom, not himself. If not her, then society and all those damn "liberals" pushing their gay agenda. That is so sad. Life is short, what a waste to spend it hating what you don't understand.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
24. If this keeps up we may get
Wed Apr 27, 2022, 05:33 PM
Apr 2022

Republicans to support better rail and bus service. With so many of their constituents being banned from flying.

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