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What law was broken by the "leaker"? (Original Post) HAB911 May 2022 OP
The court has no ethics RANDYWILDMAN May 2022 #1
"tradition." SoonerPride May 2022 #2
Winner winner chicken dinner! JustAnotherGen May 2022 #3
That is a good question... TheRealNorth May 2022 #4
Well, we know it's not being married to and taking direction from a Tea Party QAnon lunatic. TheBlackAdder May 2022 #5
How do we know that exactly? Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #12
I responded to what law was being broken, not by whom. TheBlackAdder May 2022 #18
Gotcha :) nt Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #20
Check out this that's hot off the presses. TheBlackAdder May 2022 #23
Good insights, thanks for sharing ... Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #24
None. They can be canned I'm sure, but that's it. ck4829 May 2022 #6
Or Fox, Liberty University, etc ... we don't know who did it (nt) Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #13
True ck4829 May 2022 #14
Why would they want to hire someone with a history of leaking internal documents? MichMan May 2022 #28
Gotta work to eat ck4829 May 2022 #30
Distraction... when asked about the message in the leak they can deflect to a leaker Fullduplexxx May 2022 #7
None that I know of gratuitous May 2022 #8
It's the "don't do what I do, just do what I say" louis-t May 2022 #9
The clerks and other staff sign contracts forbidding release of information. former9thward May 2022 #10
Everyone should be upset... Matthew Hale and his spectral evidence... Wow! ck4829 May 2022 #15
good question Tickle May 2022 #11
FBI is a political tool. They follow orders not the law. cbabe May 2022 #16
Who is ordering them to investigate it? MichMan May 2022 #29
Justice Roberts. But does he have legal right to initiate an investigation? cbabe May 2022 #31
The only laws that were broken were by Thomas. onecaliberal May 2022 #17
I had advance knowledge of an opinion once Cicada May 2022 #19
The Court is just pissed because someone stole the thunder of them being to announce their Chainfire May 2022 #21
Timing... lame54 May 2022 #32
Live hearings may be banned before June. Chainfire May 2022 #35
Ashton Fox Embry who leaked a Supreme Court decision was indicted... PoliticAverse May 2022 #22
None obamanut2012 May 2022 #25
Being disbarred I suppose at a minimum MichMan May 2022 #26
It seems that spouses also have no ethics rules. Delmette2.0 May 2022 #27
One spouse in particular comes to mind... ultralite001 May 2022 #33
In republicon world, telling the truth is tantamount to law breaking. spanone May 2022 #34

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
2. "tradition."
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:34 PM
May 2022

But hey, if you are willing to throw out a 50 year court precedent, what's tradition mean anymore, Roberts?

They can cry me a river.

JustAnotherGen

(32,292 posts)
3. Winner winner chicken dinner!
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:34 PM
May 2022

You are correct - they have no ethics rules in place.

I also don't believe that there is any law to punish a SCOTUS Judge or their Clerks for sharing their work with the people (Americans) they work for!

Looks like Roberts is pissing in the wind on this one.

TheRealNorth

(9,531 posts)
4. That is a good question...
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:34 PM
May 2022

I suppose if the document was obtained by hacking or illegally gaining access to a private folder or drive.

But if the person who leaked it didn't break any laws because they had access to the document....

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
12. How do we know that exactly?
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:40 PM
May 2022

Leaker could easily IMHO be a crazy conservative wanting to tout the 'great news' as opposed to a liberal who wanted to create an uproar over it.

TheBlackAdder

(28,352 posts)
23. Check out this that's hot off the presses.
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:04 PM
May 2022

.

According to the professor, she initially assumed the leak to Politico was the work of a liberal but upon reflection she has changed her mind.

Writing, "Now I think MUCH more likely it was leaked by a conservative fanatically committed to every word of Alito’s monstrous opinion," she then added, "Timing: This draft was circulated in Feb. If a liberal was mad about it, why wait until April to send it to Politico? The op will be out in June. What are the benefits of releasing it early? And a BIG downside – the focus on the leak itself instead of the opinion. If you work inside the Court, you know that the most concrete impact of the leak is to lock in this opinion essentially as is. Any edits at this point reveal jockeying between Justices, undermine the majority, and Court itself. Embarrassing to the majority."

Noting that liberals on the court have spent years lobbying to get conservative justices to make their final rulings less extreme, she claimed it would be detrimental to their case to expose an early draft.

"Far and away most likely impact of the leaked draft is that it locks in 5 votes for this opinion, essentially without edits. Who would want that? So: This is about as extreme an opinion as you can have overturning Roe," she suggested.


https://www.rawstory.com/supreme-court-abortion-2657257324/


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Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
24. Good insights, thanks for sharing ...
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:09 PM
May 2022

I've thought since the minute the news hit it was at least as likely to have been leaked by a CON, as by a Liberal.

ck4829

(35,126 posts)
6. None. They can be canned I'm sure, but that's it.
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:36 PM
May 2022

And then they'd have a job lined up at the ACLU, SPLC, or the National Lawyer's Guild for sure.

MichMan

(12,079 posts)
28. Why would they want to hire someone with a history of leaking internal documents?
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:43 PM
May 2022

I dont imagine they would look kindly on it happening to them

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. None that I know of
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:38 PM
May 2022

But isn't it curious how "outraged" conservatives are about this when they swallowed down camel after camel during the former guy's administration because it wasn't against the law to violate the Emoluments Clause, or to practice nepotism, or to charge the Secret Service top dollar to stay at the former guy's resorts whenever it pleased him to take a few days off and go golfing, which he wasn't going to have time to do.

I suggest conservatives sit back, relax, and enjoy a nice steaming cup of shut the fuck up.

former9thward

(32,377 posts)
10. The clerks and other staff sign contracts forbidding release of information.
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:40 PM
May 2022

I suspect if one of Biden's staff leaked Oval Office conversations then many would be upset.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
19. I had advance knowledge of an opinion once
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:49 PM
May 2022

This isn’t the first leak by any means. I got an inadvertent leak once. A former girlfriend of mine had clerked for the supremes and later represented a trade group in a case before the court. She called the court to ask when the opinion would be released and spoke to someone in the clerk’s office she knew. That person told her it would be released the next day. On the speaker phone I could tell from the tone of voice that my girlfriend had lost. There was sorrow in the voice of the person. My girlfriend did not detect it but I absolutely did. It was 5 to 4 against my girlfriend’s side. Reporters had ways to find things out. Nina Totenberg would follow clerks to spy on them for instance.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
21. The Court is just pissed because someone stole the thunder of them being to announce their
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:55 PM
May 2022

finding under the lights and cameras. Fuck 'em.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
35. Live hearings may be banned before June.
Tue May 3, 2022, 07:26 PM
May 2022

Besides that, I wouldn't be surprised that if they were delayed because someone just accused Trump of Jay Walking in NYC two years ago, and, of course, the committee will have to investigate that too...

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
22. Ashton Fox Embry who leaked a Supreme Court decision was indicted...
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:59 PM
May 2022

Last edited Tue May 3, 2022, 05:20 PM - Edit history (1)

to deprive the United States of its lawful right and duty of promulgating information in the way and at the time required by law and at departmental regulation.

See:
https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/clerk-thief-his-life-baker-visiting-judge-tells-story-1919-supreme-court-leak
https://calapplaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2019.02.25-Appellate-Zealots-BF-on-Selling-secrets-The-disturbing-tale-of-Supreme-Court-clerk-Ashton-Embry.pdf

Realistically, the only punishment the current leaker likely faces is being fired.

ultralite001

(922 posts)
33. One spouse in particular comes to mind...
Tue May 3, 2022, 02:02 PM
May 2022

Isn't considered a liberal...

Definitely has questionable ethics...

That is all...

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