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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDon't be surprised if the Repubs reconvene a new Constitutional Convention....
if they win the House, Senate and Presidency.
niyad
(113,284 posts)exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Federal debt to be proportioned to the new entities by electoral college count.
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)cloaking themselves as the GOP. The republican party is gone.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)because that is a state issue and requires a 34 state majority.
There's absolutely no chance in hell that red states get to that number of 34 especially now. If anything, it's blue states who will have that majority.
JHB
(37,160 posts)The only people who have been planning for one are right-wing and libertarian wingnuts. Especially wealthy ones, like the Koch brothers, who have put resources into it. I would fully expect them to take control of any such convention.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)This may make some feel uncomfortable & awkward here but the truth is the truth.
The Constitution is an outdated document written by white landowning men who owned people as property and are responsible for the mass genocide of First Nations people, my ancestors. This country's Constitution is incredibly out of date and despite trying to update it with amendments, nothing ever happens. We're ruled by a document that was written 100s of years ago & applying those laws to today is a study in stupid. It's a racist piece of paper that has no place in society today. None. And that's being reflected right now all across this country to the extreme. And that extremism is exactly why we don't have healthcare in this country, why gay marriage happened from a civil case, and why women are facing the reality of their civil rights being rolled back to 1890.
I firmly believe that if Democrats ever get to the 34 state threshold that they should immediately seize the opportunity and and have a Constitutional Convention. We need laws which protect the most vulnerable instead of wealthy white men who exploits their labor that they built their fortune on. We need to ensure that education, healthcare, housing, & utilities are all human rights as soon as humanly possible. We need to ensure that the civil rights of women and POC are protected at all costs.
I could write a novel on this.
JHB
(37,160 posts)...get it implemented while sidelining people who have other ideas.
That's what the Right has done, spread out over time since the 70s. Until there's a counter for that, it's inadvisable.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)all I have to do is take the money this country uses for endless war and simply redirect the funds? A billion dollars isn't much, pennies, in the eyes of the military industrial complex.
Or we could just seize Elon Musk's wealth and redistribute it. I'm all for that too
They Have Money For War But Can't Feed The Poor.
---Tupac
JHB
(37,160 posts)...drafts of their favored points and strategies for undermining competing points, and the PR infrastructure to make them look like the reasonable people.
Ad hoc very rarely beats prepared, organized, and ready.
jimfields33
(15,789 posts)The constitution is an outdated document. Itd be interesting to at least do a nationwide poll. Results would be interesting.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)Especially those of us who are POC
Mad_Machine76
(24,412 posts)but it would better and safer to use the amendment process. There are really no rules for a Convention and things could go off the rails pretty quickly with the MAGATS. We would need to have a supermajority in Congress to pass amendments but at least it would be a more controllable process.
brush
(53,776 posts)of money though. But they repubs are quite a few state legislative majorities away form having enough to convene a Constitutional convention.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)The majority of states are under R control but I agree it would be difficult to reach 34.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Clearest counter examples, VT, MA, MD. Each as a Democratic legislature with a moderate Republican governor.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)There is no evidence of that. The evidence is in the other direction.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)I am all for an independent reboot and new constitution...one that fixes many original errors.
No morevelectoral college. Senate apportioned by population. A line one ban on slavery. Start with remo al of the 3/5ths abomination. Codify a new Supreme Court. Codify Roe,, Loving, and Oberkfell. Introduce term limits of 12 years sat every branch of government. Outlaw the draft.
Start drawing up maps now. A USA and the Confederacy. Let's be ready to demand the nukes though....those crazy wingnuts would definitely use them.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)I don't know how one side could demand them if they didn't have possession.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Close the bases.
Relocate the weapons.
Act today or watch them aimed at us later...
former9thward
(31,997 posts)It requires 2/3rds of both Houses of Congress. Neither party is going to get that many seats, now or in the forseeable future. The only other way for a convention is 2/3rds of the states applying for it, which is 34, but that has nothing to do with control of Congress and the Presidentcy.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)at least none that I would probably support.
Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)They don't want ANY Constitution, SCOTUS or Congress. They want a full on Theocracy, a country governed exclusively by their interpretation of the bible. No one but a white christian male will be able to hold land, own a business or vote.
They have NO intention of splitting the country, they want it all.
They have been acquiring weapons (not just guns) training and organizing for 45 years.
Remember what men have done in the name of god over the centuries and plan accordingly.
CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)And tons of them are salivating at the chance to kill some libs. I have some nutjobs in my family who I'm sure fall into that category.
Tickle
(2,520 posts)January of 2022
Nebraska becomes 17th state to call for Constitutional Convention
we are half way there
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)Forget about 2/3 of the House and Senate.
There is nowhere near enough trust between the two sides for anyone to think opening that hen house would be a good idea.
Tickle
(2,520 posts)S. C. just became on in March
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)It's just not something that's going to happen.
We have enough real things to worry about.
Tickle
(2,520 posts)States where the Convention of States Application has passed in one chamber but not the other (all time):
New Mexico, Iowa, South Dakota, Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire
States considering the Convention of States Resolution in 2022:
Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wyoming
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)And if anyone thinks states like Illinois, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, and Vermont are just dying to let the yahoos in, I don't know what to say.
What is the definition of "considering" here? Because if it's, "random legislator introduces something" then I think we can rest easy.
We literally couldn't pass one amendment if we tried right now. Somehow we're going to upend the entire Constitution?
Fears should be grounded in the concrete.
Tickle
(2,520 posts)happen. I don't know enough about it to converse with you
What has caught my eye is the line
"States considering the Convention of States Resolution in 2022:"
Why mention a year if they were not going to vote on it or am I just reading into it
Tickle
(2,520 posts)States where the Convention of States Application has passed in one chamber but not the other (all time):
New Mexico, Iowa, South Dakota, Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire
States considering the Convention of States Resolution in 2022:
Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wyoming
Tickle
(2,520 posts)There are 19 states
States that have passed the Convention of States application (19):
1. Georgia March 6, 2014
2. Alaska April 19, 2014
3. Florida April 21, 2014
4. Alabama May 22, 2015
5. Tennessee February 4, 2016
6. Indiana February 29, 2016
7. Oklahoma April 25, 2016
8. Louisiana May 25, 2016
9. Arizona March 13, 2017
10. North Dakota March 24, 2017
11. Texas May 4, 2017
12. Missouri May 12, 2017
13. Arkansas February 14, 2019
14. Utah March 5, 2019
15. Mississippi March 27, 2019
16. Wisconsin January 25, 2022
17. Nebraska January 28, 2022
18. West Virginia March 4, 2022
19. South Carolina March 29, 2022
What's going on that 4 states this year have already joined