K&R if you like Obama! (This one is "mega-style"!)

[LoZoccolo]

[cthulu2016]

1. No kittens?

rec'd because I ought not snark without rec'ing

[MannyGoldstein]

2. We're in a Depression, practicing Hoover-nomics, and you're cheerleading.

I guess this is the kind of stuff we read about in history books.

[LoZoccolo]

3. We're not even in a recession.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/us/recession-officially-over-us-incomes-kept-falling.html

GOBAMA!

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Not if you count the top 1%. But for the 99%, it's a Depression

28% of Americans who were part of the Middle Class have fallen out of it.

Yet the Neoliberals continue to cheerlead the 30-year war on working Americans that have made it so.

[LoZoccolo]

8. That's measured since the 70s.

And if all of the Nader voters in Florida would have voted for Gore instead, we wouldn't have had eight years of that under Bush*.

[MannyGoldstein]

11. But the neoLiberals are still cheering this hideous behavior nt

[LoZoccolo]

13. Start your own thread with whatever solution you have.

You can't even decently hijack this one because all you've done is complain.

[Webster Green]

19. Not this shit again.

Nader wasn't responsible for the chimp being appointed by the US Supreme W. Court.

I can't believe anyone still clings to that BS.

[LoZoccolo]

21. You didn't read my post close enough.

And everyone's responsible for their vote.

[TheWraith]

33. No Nader campaign = no Supreme Court case. It's really that simple.

Without Nader, there would never have been a Bush Administration.

I can't believe anyone still clings on to the Naderite shit that there's no difference between the parties, or that Nader didn't give us Bush.

[BlueCaliDem]

23. Exactly. The know-it-all Know-nothing Left

over-thought everything about Clinton, listened to Michael Moore, and then came to the surprising conclusion Nader, who never held elective office, who was funded by GOP friendly businesses, was a good idea.

And they're doing it again today. Unbelievable.

[SidDithers]

30. Depression?...

Sid

[msanthrope]

84. I am so totally stealing your pic. K&R

[MinervaX]

71. LOL, the same New York Times that said Saddam had WMDs

LOL

[LoZoccolo]

74. A recession has a technical definition that the current conditions don't meet.

You don't need the opinion of the New York Times.

[MinervaX]

78. You posted the link

to support your claims

[LoZoccolo]

79. I did.

OK?

[bigtree]

4. you can't possibly give a shit about all of that

. . . and not be intent on the re-election of our Democratic president. It makes sense to encourage that as enthusiastically as we are inclined.

[DeathToTheOil]

46. He's not cheerleading

Just good old-fashioned attention-whoring.

[JoePhilly]

60. Hey ... is Obama killing Social Security this week, or next week? ... what's the over under on that?

[SunsetDreams]

5. Ok here is my cheer!

Rah Rah Ree
Kick the Repubs in the Knee!

Just thought I would make the charge true.

Obama 2012

[Sheepshank]

72. Rah Rah Reeeeeee....................Kick 'em in the Knee

Rah Rah Rasssssssss.....................kick 'em in the other knee!!!

[Tx4obama]

7. Heres a 75,000+ Portand Oregon MEGA crowd - photo :)

They came by LAND and SEA

By LAND


CLOSE UP below:


by WATER...

[riverwalker]

9. of course! n/t

[WillyT]

10. Oy Vey...

[MrScorpio]

12. Kickage! nt

[unkachuck]

14. I'll K&R....

....because I like Obama....not sure if I'm going to vote for him, but I do like him....

....now, tell me what 'mega-style' means....

[LoZoccolo]

15. Mega-style is a new style of "K&R if you like Obama" thread.

The regular-style threads have a green bouncy ball.

The mega-style threads have a green bouncy ball, a picture related to President Obama, and a music video.

[unkachuck]

16. terrific!....I'm impressed....n/t

[DeathToTheOil]

17. VIOLENCE!

YOUR POST IS VIOLENCE!~

[BlueCaliDem]

18. Wow. Only fourteen recs? On DEMOCRATIC Underground??

The mods should remove that "The Best Liberal Discussion Forums on the Internet". Or change their site's name.

This is quickly becoming more and more an anti-Obama and anti-Democratic Party site.

[DeathToTheOil]

20. Monstrous!

[RC]

24. But DU is a Progressive and Liberal site.

Last edited Sat Jan 14, 2012, 09:12 PM - Edit history (1)

It is the Democratic party itself that is becoming less and less Progressive and Liberal.

Edited to add:
The old Congress Failed, Support The New Type of Democrats
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10176615

[BlueCaliDem]

37. Nonsense

and you know it, RC.

The PPACA isn't liberal or progressive? How do you figure? Ending the war in Iraq isn't liberal and progressive? Ending DADT isn't liberal and progressive? Pulling our troops out of Iraq isn't a liberal and progressive act? President Obama's American Jobs Bill isn't a liberal and progressive bill? Really?

[progressoid]

41. Ahhh haaahahaha.

Oh wait. You're series.

PPACA is liberal or progressive? Sure, as long as you ignore the parts that are rehashed versions of Nixon/Grassley/Dole/Romney plans. Progressive!

Ending the war/pulling out troops in Iraq? Sure, as long as you ignore that fact the withdrawal of troops was agreed to by the Bush admin and that the Obama admin wanted to back out of it. They only accepted a withdrawal agreement only after talks to allow us to stay longer collapsed. Progressive!

And...Oh never mind.

This gives me a headache.

[BlueCaliDem]

45. Ahhh haaahahaha

Oh wait.

None of those things are liberal and progressive then? Quick! Tell the Republicans! They think it is.

The PPACA is a powerful health care reform bill. I know, I know. Not everyone got their unicorn and pixie dust, but anyone who can claim this isn't a Liberal OR Progressive law with a straight face is either lying or they have zero clue what's in it.

Ending the war/pulling out troops in Iraq was not set in stone. The negotiations were about stability in Iraq against a growing influence from Iran, you know? The country that keeps saying they not building nuclear weapons when they are?

"When the 2008 agreement requiring all U.S. forces leave Iraq was passed, many U.S. officials assumed it would inevitably be renegotiated so that American forces could stay longer.

The U.S. said repeatedly last year it would entertain an offer from the Iraqis to have a small force stay behind, and the Iraqis said they would like American military help. But as the year wore on and the number of American troops that Washington was suggesting could stay behind dropped, it became increasingly clear that a U.S. troop presence was not a sure thing.

The issue of legal protection for the Americans was the deal-breaker.

Iraqis are still angry over incidents such as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal or Haditha, when U.S. troops killed Iraqi civilians in Anbar province, and want American troops subject to Iraqi law.

American commanders don't want to risk having their forces end up in an Iraqi courtroom if they're forced to defend themselves in a still-hostile environment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/15/iraq-withdrawal-us-troops_n_1012661.html

I.O.W. yes, Bush signed the tentative withdrawal into law (you wouldn't know it if you listened to Krauthammer, George Will, and other rightwing journalists, including pres. candidate Willard), but it was still left up to the current President to make it happen. He promised we'd withdraw out of Iraq - and this is the key word - responsibly. If you believe had Bush or McCain been president today there'd be any withdrawal out of Iraq, you're dead wrong. Just listen to the rightwing/neo con talking heads and you'd get an idea.

The devil really is in the details. Thanks to lefties running to support Nader in 2000 and making it oh so easy for Bush and his monied friends to steal the election, we found our country in a war that really effed up the M.E., but it's funny that those same Leftists are now giving Bush credit for the withdrawal while excoriating Obama. Twisted logic, but in line with TeaBagger beliefs.

But you go on ahead and believe Obama is the bogeyman. There's no changing a set mind anyway.

[progressoid]

53. And there it is.

"None of those things are liberal and progressive then? Quick! Tell the Republicans! They think it is. "

Liberal and progressive has been defined by Republicans. And apparently you agree with them.

I don't think Obama is the bogeyman. He's just a centrist and that's fine. Let's not pretend he's a progressive liberal because the media and RWers say so.

We have gone so far to the right that in today's world, Ronald Reagan couldn't get elected as a conservative. Its shifting baselines....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shifting_baseline

[BlueCaliDem]

56. I can't argue with you on the right-wing shift

of this country, but my understanding of Liberal and Progressive is anything that's to the left of the majority of congressional Democrats, and making any kind progress, no matter how incremental for the good of the 98%ers.

I don't agree that Obama is centrist. He's not as to the left as I'd prefer, but I can't call him a centrist, either. He's a pragmatic progressive, always trying to push the country to the left as much as he can with this centrist, right-of-center, Congress. A president is only as progressive as Congress allows him to be.

I guess I learned that lesson when he signed an executive order to close Gitmo, and when corporate media started polling what the American people wanted, and it showed the majority did not want to close Gitmo, Congress happily obliged and they voted Obama down by a 90-6 vet-proof margin in the Senate, presenting him with his first defeat as president in May 2009. But I do give him kudos for trying, as he had promised.

[RC]

44. I said nothing about Obama and you know it.

I said "It is the Democratic party itself that is becoming less and less Progressive and Liberal." That is true.
And BTY, we got kicked out of Iraq, we were ask to leave by the Iraqi's in a rather firm way. Apparently they would rather kill each other than have us do it for them

[BlueCaliDem]

48. My apologies. Since this is a "K&R if you like Obama" thread

I had assumed you mean the Democratic Party in relation to Obama who is, consequently, seen as the head of the Democratic Party. I don't see it that way, either, and I'm happy you agree with me on that.

>>> And BTY, we got kicked out of Iraq, we were ask to leave by the Iraqi's in a rather firm way. >>>

Not really. The U.S. did not get kicked out of Iraq or were asked to leave by the Iraqis. The U.S. is still a superpower and you don't tell a superpower what to do. And the Iraqi gov't didn't want the U.S. to leave just yet. They asked the U.S. to keep troops in Iraq but under the condition U.S. military would be subject to Iraqi prosecution in their (read: Iranian courts since Iraq is infiltrated by the Shi'ites, the Iranians and the Iranian gov't is pulling the strings).

For all we know, the Iraqi's (Shi'ites in Iraq) wanted to keep U.S. troops in the country to prosecute them for Abu Ghraib and other instances. Although they would lie in people's faces if they're asked if their loyalty is to Iran, they know they're slowly swallowing up Iraq, making it part of Iran again. If Pres. Obama had agreed to their outrageous conditions while the U.S. is trying to make right what Bush made wrong, he would expose our soldiers to their courts, and he'd be crucified by all Americans, regardless of their political bent here at home.

But anyone who believes the U.S. withdrew from Iraq because of Bush's signed statement need only look at Bush's track record and McCain's words (he's pissed off Pres. Obama went on ahead and withdrew anyway) to know that piece of paper wasn't worth the ink it was signed with.

[Itchinjim]

26. +1

[RC]

29. +10

unrec'd so we can apply some reality to the Raa, Raa posts that have no or very little substance.

[BlueCaliDem]

38. That would depend on your personal opinion what "cheerleading" is, wouldn't it?

There are "tons" of cheerleading posts without any substance for the likes of Conservative Ron Paul, or Libertarian Glenn Greenwald, or anyone who didn't get their pony and needs and wants to constantly whine about President Obama. But they are NOT Democrats, and this site's name is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Liberal's La-La-Valhalla.

Contrary to the beliefs within the TeaBagger groups, Republicans, Rightwingers, and Liberal groups, the Democratic Party is NOT a liberal party in the same sense of Green Party or a Socialist party. But it is a progressive not regressive party.

No matter the good intentions of today's Liberals, they always seem to shoot themselves in the foot and limp forward as the Regressives in this country sprint ahead of them and take power to stunt their liberal ideals. When will Liberals finally wake up and see that the world doesn't revolve around them, and that the expression, united we stand divided we fall, still holds true today?

The Regressives understand that. The Progressives understand that, too. Maybe it's time Liberals do as well.

[RandomKoolzip]

39. What in the fuck are you talking about?

Seriously, here's what "progressives" (i.e. centrists like you) don't fucking get and I REALLY wish you would: There are tens of millions of liberals/leftists, even strong Democrats in this country - probably even more than that. None of them have any political representation AT ALL in the US government. That's a political crisis, because every other ideological faction in the US has solid political representation in congress, the senate, and the WH.

Are you right-wing? Wonderful! There's hundreds of local and national politicians who will fight for you.

Are you libertarian? Great! You have your guys fighting for you too.

Are you just SLIGHTLY left of fascist? Cool! You get the White House this cycle (don't you feel lucky?!) and a whole bunch of politicians fighting for your right-leaning economic interests while going to bat (occasionally) for your SLIGHTLY left-leaning social interests.

Are you a liberal?

(silence)

Uh....Um....So! Subject change! How about that Tim Tebow, huh?

This political scenario leaves tens of millions of Americans, maybe more, disenfranchised and completely powerless. This explains why the Occupy protests were so plentiful and so loud. This explains why every centrist Dem's condescending framing of liberal issues amounts to "sorry you didn't get your pony, hippie." This explains why centrist Dems continually dismissing real, genuine, impoprtant issues - life or death issues - are continuously dismissed as "pony" issues. Climate change? Pony. Economic collapse? Pony. Homelessness? Pony. Poverty? Pony. Income inequality spiralling out of control? Pony.

As a self-proclaimed leftist ("liberal" is too fucking milque-toast), but even more as simply a label-less American who's one paycheck away from homelessness at all times but still employed, I take severe umbrage at the typical centrist framing of these massive crises that affect millions of Americans like myself as "you need to realize that the world doesn't revolve around you." Okay, well who got to decide that world revolved around the 1%? Who decided that the world revolved around Repubs-in-Dem-clothing who'll gladly give up public schools, public libraries, and any and all government agencies for the sake of political expediency? Who decided that the world revolved around those people rich enough to steal their wealth from the rest of us and buy off the institutions that could hold them accountable? I didn't fucking vote for this shit.

"When will Liberals finally wake up and see that the world doesn't revolve around them?" Okay, seriously?! When was the last time we had an effective liberal leader in this country? When was the last time liberals had ANY representation in government? You're acting like liberals hold all the cards in today's political landscape but you're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous about the fact that liberals are the only ones who happen to be noticing and talking about these huge, looming REAL crises that are affecting the US, and that we're completely powerless to do anything about it.

It seems like centrists on DU only care about winning shit - after their fave candidate has won, and has done JACK SHIT to alleviate these huge problems, they've got nothing on their minds but the next election, and putting down those whiny liberals who keep pissing in their corn flakes. Beyond the machinations of the electoral cycle, there are gigantic problems that need to be solved lest the country fall even deeper into chaos and turmoil, and the only people who seem to see it and acknowledge it are the liberals.


Let me just say in closing that the Occupy movements are only going to get louder and noisier and the rolls of centrist Dems are only going to thin even more if the country continues to march down Trickle Down Ave. And then the Dems will be FORCED to start listening to liberals again. And then such snide condescension as exhibited in your post will read like Marie Antoinette, only a little more out of touch.

[BlueCaliDem]

51. Well,

I would've loved to read your post, and I'm sure it would have had some helpful info contained within, but your abrasive language puts me off. I'm sorry you've wasted all that writing I'm sure had taken a great deal of time for you to type up.

You need to learn the idiom, you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

[Kali]

64. wow

you can just blow off the legitimate despair and anger so many are feeling with some stupid line about catching flies???

[BlueCaliDem]

68. Hyperbole.

When you have to use coarse and abrasive language to make your point, you don't do yourself any favors and you certainly won't get your message across. No one is inclined to listen to people who can't control themselves.

Do you think it's appropriate to listen to foul mouthed children airing their despair and anger? I don't.

[RandomKoolzip]

69. You probably don't even realize just how succinctly you're proving my point.

But that's okay. Continue to ignore, dismiss, or attempt to delegitimize genuine anger and severe, looming crises. People like you will just continue to let us all eat cake.


How's the sand around your head? Is it starting to seep into your nostrils yet?

[BlueCaliDem]

73. People "like us"? I *am* one of those "people like us".

I'm not trying to dismiss or attempt to "delegitimize" genuine and heartfelt emotions even if I had that kind of power. Which I don't.

All I'm trying to say is, I just don't listen to people when they have an insatiable need to throw public temper tantrums. When my children were in that phase, I ignored them. They soon enough learned I would listen to them in earnest if they approached me with the same respect they seem to expect from me.

And as for rising sand, I believe it hasn't, according to the latest CNN poll:

The narrative that Obama is losing the base was debunked by a new CNN poll which found that support for the renomination of the president has tied an all-time high.

The CNN poll found that overall 81% of those surveyed thought that the Democratic Party should nominate Obama again. Only 18% of respondents thought that the Democratic Party should go with a different candidate. Eighty one percent of both Democratic men and women support Obama running for a second term as the Democratic nominee. Non-white Democrats (84%) supported the president more than white Democrats (78%).

Those under age 50 supported the renomination of Obama (83%) a bit more than those over 50 (78%). Democrats making less than $50,000 a year support renominating Obama five points less (78%) than those who earn over $50,000 a year (83%). Despite the claims by some who believe that Obama is too moderate, more liberals than moderates believe that he should be nominated again, (91%-76%). By a margin of 84%-16% Democrats believed that Obama should be the Democratic nominee in 2012. Independents also think that Obama should again be at the top of the Democratic ticket, (75%-23%).

This poll makes it difficult to make the argument that Obama is losing the Democratic base, when 84% of Democrats support nominating the president again. Overall support for his renomination has jumped nine points in the past month (72%-81%), and tied the high that the president reached in June and October of 2011. The lowest support for Obama’s renomination was 70% in August 2011.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/renominate-obama

[RandomKoolzip]

80. Wait a minute...You think this is all about Obama?!

Seriously, could you BE any more out of touch?

[BlueCaliDem]

85. Nice

cop out. Fact remains, Koolzip, you responded to an Obama thread and Obama has garnered the majority of Independents, the one group he needs to win reelection. Don't tell me, though. You're a member of the the 18%.

[RandomKoolzip]

70. Wait...seriously?! Holy shit.

You could not be providing a more blatant example of the problem I'm talking about. Fuckin' a! Thanks!

[BlueCaliDem]

75. Please

grow up and join the adult *world. You use language like a pubescent child who's discovered how to be the most abrasive toward everyone.

Again, you don't win anyone over acting your shoe size.

*edited to correct misspelled word.

[BlueCaliDem]

86. Of course you can say whatever

you want. The world, after all, revolves around you, doesn't it?

Have a great day, and I sincerely hope you'll seek some anger management help.

You've got a nice sig line. You should practice what you preach.

Tah-tah!

[T S Justly]

62. Nicely stated, and I agree. (nt)

[Kali]

65. tell it!

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

87. High five dude

I agree with ya. And I found it amusing to witness the offense that some posters found to your "foul language" ...or whatever.
(seriously?) Yeah, I know, I know. I for one, could give a shit. Curse away. Doesn't detract from the bottom line whatsoever.

Whatever though man. The truth hurts I suppose, so all some people can do is whine that you used some naughty words.

Big 'ole whoop-te-doo.

[LoZoccolo]

43. We like Obama.

A lot of people like Obama because the thread gets so many recs.

[BlueCaliDem]

52. Since I don't spend all my days here on DU3

I didn't know about the other threads, so it was helpful for me to find one among so many angry, anti-Obama threads permeating the older DU and this site since the 2008 elections.

I, for one, find it refreshing and encouraging there are still DUers who positively understand and support our Democratic president here on Democratic Underground.

So, for me, this thread had substance. I can understand why it doesn't for you, but then again, I support President Obama.

[LyndaG]

22. Another K & R

[Old and In the Way]

25. Yes We Can!

[quaker bill]

28. K&R

[SidDithers]

31. K&R...nt

Sid

[hwmnbn]

32. K&R

[barbtries]

34. i do

like him.

[cyberspirit]

35. He's got my vote!

[NYC_SKP]

36. I recommended this OP. Dammit!

[Rex]

55. Okay that is a C&P.

Photobucket, here I come!

[JoePhilly]

61. LOL!!!!

I love that!!!

The haters will flip out!!

[Scurrilous]

42. K & R

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. K & R

[DevonRex]

49. KnR. Nt

[inna]

50. GDP

[Rex]

54. My fav pic.

"GOTCHA!"

[AtomicKitten]

58. I love that pic too.

[Scurrilous]

76. LOL

[RetroLounge]

57. BOG Swarm Alert

RL

[NYC_SKP]

59. Hard to resist this:

[RetroLounge]

63. I'm waiting for one to begin talking

not parrot



RL

[NYC_SKP]

67. Bwaaaahahaha

OK, I surrender!

[OmahaBlueDog]

66. Kicked. Rec'd

[NYC_SKP]

81. Dayum. Mega Style is replete with bling!

Pics, vids, bouncy ball emoticon.

Custom.

What's next?

[Omaha Steve]

82. K&R!

[DeathToTheOil]

83. alts

What are the last four letters in the word, "Salts"? Now I'll take Gloria Allred for $200, Alex.

[Cali_Democrat]

88. LOL

[Make7]

89. kick