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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Wed May 11, 2022, 09:23 AM May 2022

After the open hearings are completed there is a very good chance this will happen.

Some people in Trumps inner circle are going to realize they are in great legal jeopardy. The committee has the evidence, they are going to prove people are guilty. Some people, I have been saying Meadows from the beginning, are going to make a deal to save themselves.

Things are going to snow ball, this is usually what happens.

There is going to be more than enough evidence to indict people in Trumps inner circle. We just need Garland to do it and I think he will.

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After the open hearings are completed there is a very good chance this will happen. (Original Post) fightforfreedom May 2022 OP
Day 147 since the select committee sent the Mark Meadows criminal referral. gab13by13 May 2022 #1
What's your point? fightforfreedom May 2022 #5
A different criminal act BruceWane May 2022 #20
Will the Committee make further criminal referrals once the hearings are completed? kentuck May 2022 #2
Well they took a pass on obstruction SoonerPride May 2022 #3
I do also but after midterms when its too late and the VERY EFFECITIVE MAGA anti voter laws ... uponit7771 May 2022 #4
I disagree as I don't think anything will change. LonePirate May 2022 #6
I do hope you're wrong LP DENVERPOPS May 2022 #26
This. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #28
Believe it when I see it. Hope it happens. boston bean May 2022 #7
Repeat after me NQAS May 2022 #8
Very good chance? GoodRaisin May 2022 #9
To get trump, Meadows, etc., they are going to have to come up with hard evidence of criminal Hoyt May 2022 #10
DOJ already passed twice on getting Trump, gab13by13 May 2022 #15
I wouldn't expect the Committee members to say "we've got nothing criminal." But if they have it, Hoyt May 2022 #18
Both of those happened when Trump was in power and had a crooked AG protecting him. fightforfreedom May 2022 #30
I hope you're right... but BlueIdaho May 2022 #11
Yes, I agree. MineralMan May 2022 #12
On this very board, in this very thread. MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #22
Exactly. There is a process underway. MineralMan May 2022 #23
I understand Garland cannot indict on his own. fightforfreedom May 2022 #31
All that may be true... but the issue for Murikans in the fall will be the price of gas. SMFH!! nt albacore May 2022 #13
You have more faith BigMin28 May 2022 #14
I give Garland a hard time here, gab13by13 May 2022 #17
There is nothing that stops an institutionalist from indicting Whitehouse staff, lawyers, etc. fightforfreedom May 2022 #33
No. You are being naive. hamsterjill May 2022 #16
Every GQP politician is a member of the Putin Party. gab13by13 May 2022 #19
Damn good questions to ask hamsterjill May 2022 #21
Is the question you posed sarcastic/rhetorical Beastly Boy May 2022 #36
Boom. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #29
Oh brother. fightforfreedom May 2022 #34
I wonder who among the bunch of seditious bastards is going to willingly Javaman May 2022 #24
Nothing is going to happen. Tacan May 2022 #25
The Meadows subpoena issue was referred to him months ago and nothing has happened. LonePirate May 2022 #35
Garland, a cautious man, an institutionalist man. But is he the wrong man for the moment? jaxexpat May 2022 #27
Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem. maxsolomon May 2022 #32
 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
5. What's your point?
Wed May 11, 2022, 09:45 AM
May 2022

No one knows why Garland hasn't charged Meadows. You look at it as bad news, Garland is doing nothing. There may be a very good reason Garland has not acted yet.

BruceWane

(345 posts)
20. A different criminal act
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:17 AM
May 2022

That referral was for contempt, following Meadow's refusal to comply with the committee's subpoena.

Completely separate from any potential indictment for criminal acts regarding participation in the insurrection.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
2. Will the Committee make further criminal referrals once the hearings are completed?
Wed May 11, 2022, 09:34 AM
May 2022

The banks were "too big to fail". I hope this is not a case "too big to prosecute".

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
4. I do also but after midterms when its too late and the VERY EFFECITIVE MAGA anti voter laws ...
Wed May 11, 2022, 09:42 AM
May 2022

... go into effect.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
6. I disagree as I don't think anything will change.
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:09 AM
May 2022

The RW will bloviate about freedom and the public moving on from J6. The media will take cues from the Republicans and will move on after a day or so. Garland will continue to sit on his hands and do nothing. Come Labor Day people will shift attention to the upcoming election instead of the previous one, allowing the J6 hearings and committee to be memory holed without any significant actions taking place.

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
26. I do hope you're wrong LP
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:20 PM
May 2022

But considering past history on oh so many things that we have seen in our life times, If I were a betting man..............

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
8. Repeat after me
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:17 AM
May 2022

Nothing will happen.

The media will turn it into a horse race.

Pundits will have a field day.

The New York Times will blame joe Biden.

Fox will place the blame on hunter Bidens laptop.

Then… crickets.

I know, it’s easier to be a pessimist. But I’m going with the odds. If I’m wrong I will apologize.

GoodRaisin

(8,923 posts)
9. Very good chance?
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:21 AM
May 2022

I think there’s a very good chance M$M will talk about it and talk about it and nothing will be done.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. To get trump, Meadows, etc., they are going to have to come up with hard evidence of criminal
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:26 AM
May 2022

wrong doing, not just tons more of evidence that they are unfit for office.

I think the best we get out of the hearings is that trump and his close aides aren't fit to hold office. Everyone knows that, some just don't care.

If the hearings are just a big show running right up to midterms -- with hundreds of unconnectble dots and more of what we already know -- there's a good chance the 5 to 10% of swing voters who determine elections nowadays will see it as a ploy.

But who knows.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
15. DOJ already passed twice on getting Trump,
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:59 AM
May 2022

1. "individual one." slam dunk case because Cohen was convicted of paying off Stormy Daniels with a check signed by Donald Trump.
2. 10 obstruction of justice cases that Mueller laid out.

When Liz Cheney publicly states that Trump should be prosecuted for impeding an official act of Congress, knowing that she has more evidence than we have, I believe her.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. I wouldn't expect the Committee members to say "we've got nothing criminal." But if they have it,
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:11 AM
May 2022

it's past time to show it.


 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
30. Both of those happened when Trump was in power and had a crooked AG protecting him.
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:37 PM
May 2022

You have given up and are making excuses for why you have given up.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
11. I hope you're right... but
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:26 AM
May 2022

Only a small percentage of people are even following this story - so I’m beginning to doubt we can depend on public outrage as a driving force for justice. I hope Garland is is doing some kind of four dimensional legal jujitsu but I suspect his Justice Department is not up to the task.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
12. Yes, I agree.
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:36 AM
May 2022

On the other hand, I also believe that many people will simply continue to insist that the DOJ won't take any action. I think they're wrong, and have said so on many occasions.

Only a Grand Jury can indict. Garland can't on his own. Until a Grand Jury sees evidence of criminality, there won't be indictments at the top level. We don't know what the House committee will refer to the DOJ. We will find out following their public hearings, and not before.

We don't know what the DOJ is considering doing, because it is silent on that for now.

It is foolish to continue to declare that the DOJ will NOT act. We don't have enough information to say that as though it is settled truth.

So, once again, I say that I don't know what the DOJ will or will not do. I'm in no position to make any such declarations, and neither is anyone else who is not a current active participant in the DOJ's investigations. I am waiting to see. We will know when we know, and not before that.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,378 posts)
22. On this very board, in this very thread.
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:30 AM
May 2022


You're absolutely correct, nobody here has any clue as to what AG Garland and the DoJ are doing, as it should be, AG Garland isn't going to advertise what evidence they have against those involved in the insurrection on 1/6 until GJ indictments are handed down.
 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
31. I understand Garland cannot indict on his own.
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:42 PM
May 2022

What bothers me is there is overwhelming evidence out in the open for all to see and people say nothing will happen or there is no evidence. It is simply not true. Something is going happen, we don't know what, but from the evidence I have seen I would not want to be in a lot of peoples shoes.

BigMin28

(1,176 posts)
14. You have more faith
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:46 AM
May 2022

in Attorney General Merrick Garland than I do. I wish I were wrong, but I don't think he has the stomach to hold the repubs responsible for their actions. Look no further than the charges and sentences already handed down to those that broke in to the Capitol on
Jan. 6.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
17. I give Garland a hard time here,
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:03 AM
May 2022

but I believe he is an honorable man. His reluctance to investigate high ranking officials is because he is an institutionalist. He believes that prosecuting high ranking government officials will do harm to our institutions. My opinion is that his not being partisan is in fact being partisan.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
33. There is nothing that stops an institutionalist from indicting Whitehouse staff, lawyers, etc.
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:48 PM
May 2022

It may stop them from indicting a president, but that's about it.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
16. No. You are being naive.
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:00 AM
May 2022

The fix is already in. Stall. Stall. Stall.

Meadows isn’t going to turn or he would already have done so. He’s not going to make a deal because either (1) he knows he will be safe because he knows that the fix is in to reinstall Trump in 2024, or (2) he’s so far into this shit that if he stops doing what he’s told by Putin/Trump and whoever else may be pulling the strings, he knows he’s a dead man probably along with any family he cares about.

My opinion. Worth nothing. But just as valid as any other speculation voiced here - and probably more realistic than some.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
19. Every GQP politician is a member of the Putin Party.
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:15 AM
May 2022

The leader of the Putin party is still Putin puppet, Donald Trump and until members of the GQP publicly renounce Donald Trump they are all complicit.

I know this, the Congressional GQP does not vote for Democrats, VP Harris had to just break another tie to confirm Lisa Cook as the 1st Black woman on the Federal Reserve Board. Why then did 10 members of the GQP vote to confirm Merrick Garland, including pro-Russian Ron Johnson? Just asking. Seems out of character. Mike Lee also recommended Garland to Trump to replace James Comey. Just asking.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
21. Damn good questions to ask
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:24 AM
May 2022

In my opinion.

Have you noticed the change of tone now among some of the “it takes time to indict” crowd on DU? It’s now more “there’s not enough to convict”.

I have been purposely watching some posters expecting that subtle change, and I am starting to see it. Another good question to ask…in my opinion.

Beastly Boy

(9,345 posts)
36. Is the question you posed sarcastic/rhetorical
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:57 PM
May 2022

To insinuate a certain predisposition, or are you genuinely interested in the answer?

If it is the latter, I am pretty sure that “out of character” is not it.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
24. I wonder who among the bunch of seditious bastards is going to willingly
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:58 AM
May 2022

fall on their sword?

usually is always one, but this time?

not so much.

the sociopaths and psychopaths are all running for the train to escape.

Tacan

(97 posts)
25. Nothing is going to happen.
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:04 PM
May 2022

After the J6 committee releases their evidence, Garland will do NOTHING. There is so much evidence of crimes that were committed that Garland is either completely incompetent or in on the fix.

He won't even enforce a subpoena.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
35. The Meadows subpoena issue was referred to him months ago and nothing has happened.
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:49 PM
May 2022

Garland evidently does not know he can seek an indictment (which would likely be given based on indictments for similar referrals in the same investigation) against Meadows for his subpoena refusal and then also indict him again later on for other charges. Why is Garland covering for Meadows?

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
32. Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem.
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:43 PM
May 2022

as the Yiddish saying goes. From your mouth to God's ears.

I'll be stunned if any of that happens.

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