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Investigators find documents implying Russia planned to occupy whole of Ukraine (Original Post) highplainsdem May 2022 OP
Putin really is stupid if he thought he could occupy Western Ukraine, let alone Kyiv. Tommy Carcetti May 2022 #1
Everybody has a plan C_U_L8R May 2022 #2
! jcgoldie May 2022 #8
I thought we already knew that underpants May 2022 #3
They now have Russian documents to back it up. highplainsdem May 2022 #4
Everything makes a lot of sense now, to me. gab13by13 May 2022 #5
I think this is a bit America-centric jcgoldie May 2022 #9
And destabilize the US. Democracy in and of itself is a Phoenix61 May 2022 #10
Delusional, deranged. moondust May 2022 #6
Hey Putin..."You can't unscramble an egg". multigraincracker May 2022 #7

Tommy Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
1. Putin really is stupid if he thought he could occupy Western Ukraine, let alone Kyiv.
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:03 PM
May 2022

Western Ukrainians: a) have a strong national sense of Ukrainian identity, b) primarily speak Ukrainian, not Russian, and c) have a terrain that is less conducive to invading troops than other parts of the country.

Kyiv was already a pipe dream for Putin. Lviv would have been a total impossibility.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
5. Everything makes a lot of sense now, to me.
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:20 PM
May 2022

One main reason that Putin invaded Ukraine was to weaken president Biden and make a path for his puppet in 2024.

Putin and Trump believed that Russia would conquer Ukraine in 3 days. When Russia 1st invaded what did Trump proclaim, how brilliant Putin was to declare territories independent. If Russia had been successful I guarantee that Trump would have pushed the talking point that Russia never invaded Ukraine on his watch, I guarantee it.

Putin and Trump severely underestimated Joe Biden.

President Biden does not get nearly enough credit for his strength and smarts to keep NATO and our allies united. Without president Biden's leadership Russia may well have been successful in Ukraine.

Russia conquering Ukraine would have been used to bash president Biden. With the midterms where the opposing party usually makes gains and with 2024 where many Democrats are in competitive races, Putin's plan was coming to fruition, the end of the #1 democracy in the world and the impetus for more democracies to be overturned.

President Biden says, fuck you Vlad, fuck you traitor Trump, Not on my watch. NATO is expanding, Le Pen lost in France, and it is Putin and his puppet who have been humiliated.

Thank you president Biden.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
9. I think this is a bit America-centric
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:57 PM
May 2022

Putin wants to restore the Soviet Union. Trump was a tool to that end not the goal… Putin dgaf about Trump. He didn’t invade Ukraine to help Trump, he installed Trump so he could invade Ukraine.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
10. And destabilize the US. Democracy in and of itself is a
Wed May 11, 2022, 01:15 PM
May 2022

threat to him. The worse he makes it look the better his totalitarian regime looks. Any useful idiot would have worked.

moondust

(19,981 posts)
6. Delusional, deranged.
Wed May 11, 2022, 12:37 PM
May 2022

As noted from the beginning in February, it would take huge numbers of troops to occupy all or most of Ukraine--probably more troops than Pooty even has.

Perhaps a cumulative byproduct of a century of autocratic brainwashing without significant pushback from an independent press. Has communist dictator Pooty gotten whatever he has wanted for so long he has become conditioned to making up anything knowing everybody will go along with it (or else!)? Whatever he dreams up is "reality"? Similar to TFG?

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