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Roe Vote: The vote was 49-51. Here is how every senator voted. (Original Post) In It to Win It May 2022 OP
Way to make it all about you, Joe. milestogo May 2022 #1
Best house in a bad neighborhood? nt Shermann May 2022 #9
Manchin, the WVA "Republican." wnylib May 2022 #58
If Manchin were a Republican, Mitch McConnell would be leading the Senate. pnwmom May 2022 #59
I know that Manchin is a place holder for Dems. wnylib May 2022 #75
And there is the problem. The blue dot on the right side. gldstwmn May 2022 #2
We Need More and Better Democrats OMGWTF May 2022 #65
Yes but we can't depend on her. gldstwmn May 2022 #76
All one has to say is Manchin voted with republicans Bev54 May 2022 #3
votes with them, sits with them, campaigns with them... NullTuples May 2022 #23
Yes and the dems have to appease him to keep the majority. I sure hope that will change come Nov Bev54 May 2022 #32
Except with him voting (R) they don't actually have a majority except on paper? NullTuples May 2022 #77
Except they need him to get nominees through, especially judges. Bev54 May 2022 #79
What an asshole dalton99a May 2022 #4
And still some self important Duers think he deserves any respect SunImp May 2022 #17
They just don't have the guts to admit they agree with his votes. Lancero May 2022 #84
Lisa Murkowski? Too bad. flying_wahini May 2022 #57
I'm shocked... Ohio Joe May 2022 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Ohio Joe May 2022 #6
Did they actually vote on the bill, or was it a stalled cloture vote? Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #7
They knew that Manchin would vote with them Bettie May 2022 #12
It was a vote on cloture... PoliticAverse May 2022 #19
Then Manchin's vote won't count against his 95% "pro-Biden" voting record Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #33
That offers NO comfort whatsoever. calimary May 2022 #68
I forgot the sarcasm thingy... Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #72
I'm surprised that there even IS a "Manchin Fan Club" at least here. calimary May 2022 #74
It's a hard fucking pill to swallow. spanone May 2022 #8
Wouldn't have mattered anyway with our minority-rule government. PSPS May 2022 #10
Made no difference.They needed 60 votes. So Manchin was just being a prick Walleye May 2022 #11
+1, uponit7771 May 2022 #13
What else is new? n/t RocRizzo55 May 2022 #24
Which is, of course, his specialty! ShazzieB May 2022 #36
He was just making sure the lobbyists know their money is well spent. bhikkhu May 2022 #50
Yes, Manchin is a POS, but I am just as angry with all the POS women on the right side. Ferrets are Cool May 2022 #14
Me too gratuitous May 2022 #28
"Are any of them women?" Effete Snob May 2022 #39
Ah, you caught the obvious implication of one of the rhetorical questions gratuitous May 2022 #42
Perhaps because they, like the majority of white women, wanted this outcome Effete Snob May 2022 #82
I'll bet those 51 represent less than 40% of population JT45242 May 2022 #15
10 most populous states vs. 10 least populous states RicROC May 2022 #21
So will the protests dweller May 2022 #16
He needs some sidewalk chalk! KS Toronado May 2022 #25
Break out the chalk onecaliberal May 2022 #62
The time has come to dig into everyone's dirty, little secrets and find out who among the red dots Vinca May 2022 #18
I don't want their daughters blamed or in trouble. PurgedVoter May 2022 #37
That image is called a fucking ad. aocommunalpunch May 2022 #20
No surprise. PXR-5 May 2022 #22
Murkowski and Collins were too concerned? IronLionZion May 2022 #26
I am truly surprised and saddened by Murkowski. nt Samrob May 2022 #63
Me bad, Bernie did right! PurgedVoter May 2022 #27
what are you talking about? choie May 2022 #29
Sorry, my bad. PurgedVoter May 2022 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #30
Bernie? WTF are you talking about? mountain grammy May 2022 #31
Sorry I missread another graphic that made it look like he abstained. PurgedVoter May 2022 #35
When I read your post mountain grammy May 2022 #41
Thank you, again, I apologize PurgedVoter May 2022 #64
Indeed, this is maddening for us all mountain grammy May 2022 #73
ALL THOSE RED VOTES?? YoshidaYui May 2022 #34
Unlikely Effete Snob May 2022 #40
and HOW MANY ANGRY women IN those states? YoshidaYui May 2022 #43
A solid right-wing majority of them Effete Snob May 2022 #49
SURE THE FUCK GLAD I LIVE IN YoshidaYui May 2022 #53
Only state I ever have or ever would live in, if we ever decided to live in the US again. Celerity May 2022 #70
CT is cool, too. We have a great governor. I'm so glad my family members live in MA and CA. CTyankee May 2022 #80
You are so right.. mountain grammy May 2022 #45
That makes it clear that the problem is the red dots, not the blue dots. BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #44
Who would support bringing Collins-Murkowski up for a vote? BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #46
What makes you think Democrats want Republican support... PoliticAverse May 2022 #66
My two senators are assholes. lpbk2713 May 2022 #47
Same here, Graham and Scott. Nt raccoon May 2022 #51
Manchin once again betrays the Democratic Party. Lonestarblue May 2022 #48
Why Bernie Sanders?????? Oppaloopa May 2022 #52
Sanders voted Yay with the Democrats. n/t PoliticAverse May 2022 #67
way past time Glaisne May 2022 #54
And the Democrats represent 185 million people VMA131Marine May 2022 #55
For all of those who assured me that Manchin votes with Biden...most of the time, TNNurse May 2022 #56
Joe is a DINO highnooner May 2022 #60
This is so depressing mvd May 2022 #61
Hardly a shock though. He never gave a damn about women's rights to body autonomy. Celerity May 2022 #71
I bet... hurple May 2022 #69
60 of the voting public and it's senators wanted this, the Senate sucks the life out of me RANDYWILDMAN May 2022 #78
I am so through with Manchin and Female Senators from Alaska and Maine nt Samrob May 2022 #81
Why just Alaska and Maine? Effete Snob May 2022 #83
Those particular senators pay lip service to supporting Roe or something like it In It to Win It May 2022 #85
Tweet of the day Mosby May 2022 #86

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
59. If Manchin were a Republican, Mitch McConnell would be leading the Senate.
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:23 PM
May 2022

He comes from the state that gave Trump a bigger majority than any other in 2016, and his 2nd biggest win in 2020.

I'm grateful that that R state at least produced Joe Manchin, the single vote that's keeping McConnell in check right now.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
23. votes with them, sits with them, campaigns with them...
Wed May 11, 2022, 05:45 PM
May 2022

Joe Manchin really raises the bar for "DINO", doesn't he?

Bev54

(10,052 posts)
32. Yes and the dems have to appease him to keep the majority. I sure hope that will change come Nov
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:01 PM
May 2022

with more dem senators. If repubs get the majority, he will become a republican. The dems need to make him redundant.

Response to In It to Win It (Original post)

Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
7. Did they actually vote on the bill, or was it a stalled cloture vote?
Wed May 11, 2022, 04:56 PM
May 2022

I can’t imagine 10 Republicans would vote to end debate and move to a floor vote.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
33. Then Manchin's vote won't count against his 95% "pro-Biden" voting record
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:03 PM
May 2022

Since he wasn’t actually voting against a bill, just a motion.

Whew! Manchin Fan Club, you can rest easy! Joe’s stellar pro-Biden voting record is intact!

calimary

(81,267 posts)
68. That offers NO comfort whatsoever.
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:50 PM
May 2022

How long before women are completely nullified- and our right to vote is taken away? I bet there are some GOP knuckledraggers who have that on their wish list, Right Fucking NOW.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
72. I forgot the sarcasm thingy...
Wed May 11, 2022, 08:28 PM
May 2022

If I appear too sarcastic, I get in trouble with the Manchin Fan Club…

bhikkhu

(10,716 posts)
50. He was just making sure the lobbyists know their money is well spent.
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:28 PM
May 2022

And to keep it rolling in.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
28. Me too
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:00 PM
May 2022

I'm not inclined to let all those red dots off the hook. Are any of them women? Do any of them know any women? Are any of them related to a woman? How do they feel about wearing the gravy boat home from Thanksgiving dinner?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
39. "Are any of them women?"
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:14 PM
May 2022

You are literally looking at the list. Is that a serious question?

Women voted in favor 16 to 8.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
42. Ah, you caught the obvious implication of one of the rhetorical questions
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:19 PM
May 2022

Now, do you think any of the "no" voters know any women, like maybe in their very own Senate party caucus? What are the odds that any of them are related to a woman, say, by having one as their mother?

My point being how do these jerkwads explain their hateful vote to the women in their lives?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
82. Perhaps because they, like the majority of white women, wanted this outcome
Thu May 12, 2022, 10:17 AM
May 2022

Quite a few people have bought into a false narrative that, somehow, women are substantially pro-choice by a wide margin.

That simply isn't true.

You could not have invented a more misogynist candidate than Donald Trump, and yet he attracted the vote of a majority of white women, leading directly to this outcome.

Pick a sample of anti-choice organizations and look at their leadership.

National Right To Life Committee: https://www.nrlc.org/6-2/national-right-to-life-president-carol-tobias/

Americans United for Life: https://aul.org/mission/leadership/

I don't know which ones are most prominent or most active, but it is pretty obvious that they include a lot of women who oppose choice.

We can ignore that, pretend they don't exist, call them names, whatever... but it doesn't change the reality that there is no shortage of anti-choice women voters, activists, etc.. The real challenge is in reaching and influencing people to change their minds. That is difficult work, so it is better to insult them or pretend they don't exist.

Hardly anyone ever discusses that the first major political accomplishment of the women's suffrage movement, after gaining the right to vote, was prohibition, since the Temperance League and its supporters were a major component of the suffrage movement. Advancing a puritanical agenda has always been a motivating factor for certain women in politics, and that is reflected in the types of prominent women we see in our politics - Boebert, Greene, Palin, etc..

JT45242

(2,273 posts)
15. I'll bet those 51 represent less than 40% of population
Wed May 11, 2022, 05:06 PM
May 2022

Didn't look it up. But I would wager those senator asshats represent less than 40% if the people of this country.

Puerto Rico doesn't even get a vote and they represent more people than the combined populations of WY, ND, SD, MT, ID and AK combined.

What an f-ed up system, especially that they split the Dakota territory to ensure minority rule.

Makes me sick to live here.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
21. 10 most populous states vs. 10 least populous states
Wed May 11, 2022, 05:16 PM
May 2022

10 most populous, 12 YAY 6 NAY difference of 2:1 with high population

10 Least populous 8 YAY 10 NAY almost equal with low population

in a more perfect US, by population represented, this vote would have been way over 60.

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
18. The time has come to dig into everyone's dirty, little secrets and find out who among the red dots
Wed May 11, 2022, 05:09 PM
May 2022

has paid for and/or had an abortion. I'm sick of the holier-than-thou routine, especially when every other day you read about a GOP legislator being arrested for a sex crime, often involving children. These people jet their mistresses/wives/daughters to the abortion clinic of their choice after the first missed period. All hush hush because, after all, they're "pro-life."

PurgedVoter

(2,218 posts)
37. I don't want their daughters blamed or in trouble.
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:12 PM
May 2022

These bastards will roll over and blame the women the moment it comes out.
It is time to dig their secrets though. They would do it to you in a heartbeat.

aocommunalpunch

(4,237 posts)
20. That image is called a fucking ad.
Wed May 11, 2022, 05:11 PM
May 2022

Unless we’re judging that lone blue dot to be more important than, say, women. Make the dude OWN his woman-hate.

Response to PurgedVoter (Reply #27)

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
41. When I read your post
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:17 PM
May 2022

I was positive Bernie had vote YEA, but googled it just to be sure before I posted. It only takes a few seconds to do that. Apology accepted.

PurgedVoter

(2,218 posts)
64. Thank you, again, I apologize
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:45 PM
May 2022

I was so white hot with fury over this I was not reading things clearly.
To make it more clear about how I feel on this,
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216683434#post5

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
73. Indeed, this is maddening for us all
Wed May 11, 2022, 09:09 PM
May 2022

and I agree with that post. republicans are cruel and radical. They will kill in the name of "pro life"

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
40. Unlikely
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:16 PM
May 2022

In most instances, their vote represents the majority opinion of the state which elected them.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
49. A solid right-wing majority of them
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:28 PM
May 2022

...who voted for Trump both times BECAUSE they wanted this outcome.

It does not matter how ANGRY any of them are. Pro-choice women are a minority in those states.

The majority of white women nationwide voted for Trump - twice.

Let's take, say, Oklahoma:

https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/oklahoma/

D. Trump 65.3%
H. Clinton 28.9%

The only thing that most women are ANGRY about in Oklahoma is that Trump wasn't re-elected.

Reversing Roe v. Wade is the outcome that the majority of women in these states want, and consistently vote for.

Celerity

(43,372 posts)
70. Only state I ever have or ever would live in, if we ever decided to live in the US again.
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:53 PM
May 2022

The Bombpops - California in July (Official Music Video)




FUCK RED STATES.

Fucking white power baby jeebus loving troglodytic shitholes.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
80. CT is cool, too. We have a great governor. I'm so glad my family members live in MA and CA.
Thu May 12, 2022, 12:53 AM
May 2022

My grandchild in CA is transitioning now and has all the help she can from the state and the public school she attends. She is going to a state college that is LGBTQ friendly after she graduates from high school this June. I just saw her prom picture and it is so cool! I'll see her on Martha's Vineyard in July and can't wait!

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
45. You are so right..
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:21 PM
May 2022

they can't be wrong because God, Jesus, the holy Mother of God and all the saints are on their side.. They can't be wrong or it's all for nothing.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
46. Who would support bringing Collins-Murkowski up for a vote?
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:23 PM
May 2022

You'd get 51 votes in favor, even if you don't get to 60.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
66. What makes you think Democrats want Republican support...
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:48 PM
May 2022

on a bill that's going to fail anyway?

This way they can say "every Republican opposed it".

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
48. Manchin once again betrays the Democratic Party.
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:27 PM
May 2022

So close—just one vote that has sentenced women to second-class status with no rights to their own reproductive choices.

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
55. And the Democrats represent 185 million people
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:40 PM
May 2022

but the Republicans represent only 145 million.

That’s 56% of the population to 44%.

hurple

(1,306 posts)
69. I bet...
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:50 PM
May 2022

Susan Collins is very disappointed in herself. She told herself on private that she would stand up for the right to choose.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,672 posts)
78. 60 of the voting public and it's senators wanted this, the Senate sucks the life out of me
Wed May 11, 2022, 11:31 PM
May 2022

every damn day. Fucking Minority rule...again

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
83. Why just Alaska and Maine?
Thu May 12, 2022, 10:20 AM
May 2022



The female senators from Iowa, Tennessee, Wyoming, Mississippi, Nebraska and West Virginia voted the same way.

In It to Win It

(8,252 posts)
85. Those particular senators pay lip service to supporting Roe or something like it
Thu May 12, 2022, 10:36 AM
May 2022

The senators from states you mentioned are explicitly anti-abortion. Two certain Senators from Alaska and Maine say they support abortion access... but their vote makes it seem like they were full of shit.

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