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Baby formula shortage is not Biden's fault. It isn't even COVID's fault (Original Post) Takket May 2022 OP
Its a RW meme blasted out by Kevin McCarthy. Budi May 2022 #1
The government should step in and seize the factory when lives are in danger due to Baitball Blogger May 2022 #2
Others point out that the reduction due to this one plant Igel May 2022 #3
Don't see how seizing the factory would solve the problem. LiberalFighter May 2022 #8
Seize it, invest money and get it up to snuff, and then Baitball Blogger May 2022 #11
How do they decide who knows how to get everything up to snuff? LiberalFighter May 2022 #28
The workers there probably know Captain Zero May 2022 #31
Mandate that employees work 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week? MichMan May 2022 #35
The formula shortage is a real crisis. Babies need feeding. TomSlick May 2022 #4
And oddly enough... people are ordering from Canada or overseas. WarGamer May 2022 #6
Why would Rebl2 May 2022 #17
The last time Customs seized cases of baby formula at the border was in PatrickforB May 2022 #24
It's just politics... the current administration ALWAYS gets the blame for everything. WarGamer May 2022 #5
Kick dalton99a May 2022 #7
I've been trying to help my Tickle May 2022 #9
See my post #20 and this link Hekate May 2022 #21
Thank you very much nt Tickle May 2022 #22
I don't remember formula Submariner May 2022 #10
Carnation ggma May 2022 #15
Right. Plain canned evaporated whole milk, boiled water, 1 Tablespoon Light Karo syrup.. Hekate May 2022 #20
Small corrrection . . . PhylliPretzel May 2022 #16
Roger that.......evaporated milk Submariner May 2022 #23
That's what I used in the 60's and 70's for my children. kiranon May 2022 #27
Banning abortion now should help IronLionZion May 2022 #12
18? Why not 10 or 12? ret5hd May 2022 #30
Yeah and pay them less than adults IronLionZion May 2022 #33
This points out one of the major problems w/ this stock buyouts etc., when the govt gave (during SWBTATTReg May 2022 #13
Not To Mention... ProfessorGAC May 2022 #14
This sounds like the mafia gutting a business Captain Zero May 2022 #32
Thanks elleng May 2022 #18
It's a small - but telling - example of the Third world-ization of American business peppertree May 2022 #19
Hey Pepper tree DENVERPOPS May 2022 #25
I hear you. peppertree May 2022 #26
I don't even want to think about DENVERPOPS May 2022 #29
Predatory Capitalism creating a shortage and jacking up prices. Emile May 2022 #34
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
1. Its a RW meme blasted out by Kevin McCarthy.
Wed May 11, 2022, 05:57 PM
May 2022

He prob owns stock.

Kevin McCarthy's Talking point
.







From greedy market drivers straight to...
RW Talking pts.
"Why doesn't Biden Do Something!"
"Biden's Inflation is out of control!"

Wait for it....

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
2. The government should step in and seize the factory when lives are in danger due to
Wed May 11, 2022, 05:59 PM
May 2022

greed and mismanagement.

If Putin had been more attentive and paid more attention to what his supply officer were doing to his weapon stache, he could have been singing a different tune today in the Ukraine.

Biden needs to move and make sure the baby food factory acts accordingly

Igel

(35,309 posts)
3. Others point out that the reduction due to this one plant
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:14 PM
May 2022

was small and that supply issues started before this particular problem even happened.

In other words, we can argue it contributed to but not that it caused the problem, and that this made the problem worse even though it can't account for the entirety of the worsening.

I haven't seen an explanation that accounts for the initial shortfalls, much less why a minor decline caused a much larger shortfall. (Granted, some may be due to hoarding. I'm not pleased blaming panicked parents for hoarding when it's something so important. "Sure, I'll only buy one container. I may not get another for 4 months, but let's have all the infants suffer, including mine, equitably." Just don't see that happening. And can't fault the new parents.)

We already need a second cause to account for the evidence, and may well need more, depending on whether the Abbott issue + the other original cause can account for the observed trajectory of the supply shortage. Just for the logic of the situation.

It's also baby formula, not so much "baby food."

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
11. Seize it, invest money and get it up to snuff, and then
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:25 PM
May 2022

charge the owner for the upgrades he failed to do.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
28. How do they decide who knows how to get everything up to snuff?
Wed May 11, 2022, 09:27 PM
May 2022

It would just create more of mess if and likely the wrong actions are taken.

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
31. The workers there probably know
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:42 AM
May 2022

Plenty of working people there knew it wasn't being maintained right, just wanted to keep their jobs and pay check.

MichMan

(11,929 posts)
35. Mandate that employees work 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week?
Thu May 12, 2022, 12:10 PM
May 2022

Would that help increase production?

Not ideal, but if people truly can't feed their infants, it may be necessary

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
4. The formula shortage is a real crisis. Babies need feeding.
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:50 PM
May 2022

It is time to invoke the Defense Authorization Act and take over plants.

I have two infant granddaughters that expect regular feeding. Breastfeeding is not an option. The parents are being told it is dangerous to attempt home-made formula. Something must be done - now.

PatrickforB

(14,574 posts)
24. The last time Customs seized cases of baby formula at the border was in
Wed May 11, 2022, 08:44 PM
May 2022

April 2021. It was apparently mislabeled.

Tickle

(2,520 posts)
9. I've been trying to help my
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:09 PM
May 2022

niece who just had a baby. I found some on ebay but they wanted $40.40 to ship it.

My brother has been going into multiple stores to try and find formula

It's very real for my niece anyway

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
10. I don't remember formula
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:19 PM
May 2022

but I recall the sweet Karo syrup and Carnation condensed milk my mother used for my siblings, which I was likely fed earlier.

Try that if formula is out of stock.

ggma

(708 posts)
15. Carnation
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:47 PM
May 2022

Milk, plus equal amount of water, plus a teaspoon of white Karo syrup. Store in sterilized bottles, heat as needed.

ggma

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
20. Right. Plain canned evaporated whole milk, boiled water, 1 Tablespoon Light Karo syrup..
Wed May 11, 2022, 08:28 PM
May 2022

It’s what my mom fed us in the 1940 - 50s — she had no support for her desire to breastfeed, so didn’t do it long. We had supplemental vitamins — I still remember the B-vitamin smell from the younger babies. All of us were healthy and grew well.

Main thing to understand, aside from the modern concern about getting it exactly right with a page full of ingredients you can’t pronounce, is that if you follow the directions regarding sterilization, you will have something perfectly safe for your child. Canned milk is sterilized milk — raw cow’s milk is not, and can carry diseases that can kill infants. It was a big advance when introduced. In addition, it is cheap, unlike packaged infant formulas.

Personally, I was part of the natural-childbirth-and-bust generation of women, so in addition to LaMaze, I nursed each kid for a year. Karo syrup? Ewww.

Still, when I think about American infant formula corporations shilling their expensive powdered product to underdeveloped countries where the water supply isn’t even safe, it occurs to me that a clean can of Carnation with instructions to boil the water vigorously would be better. Same with poor working mothers in America.

https://wehavekids.com/parenting/Emergency-Baby-Formula





PhylliPretzel

(140 posts)
16. Small corrrection . . .
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:51 PM
May 2022

It was Carnation EVAPORATED milk which was used, and diluted with boiled water. Canned milk and boiled water were used because they are sterile. (The condensed milk has LOTS of sugar in it.)

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
23. Roger that.......evaporated milk
Wed May 11, 2022, 08:43 PM
May 2022

And I remember the milk bottles being boiled in her big spaghetti pot. Mothering was hard work with me run in’ around

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
27. That's what I used in the 60's and 70's for my children.
Wed May 11, 2022, 09:07 PM
May 2022

Later when I adopted 2 more children, came to love the ready made bottles and new powdered formula. One daughter was allergic to milk and I ordered potato milk powdered formula for it. It tasted great. We all used it. The old ways work along with vitamins. And, I too had the big pot and insert made just to hold glass baby bottles.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
12. Banning abortion now should help
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:29 PM
May 2022

in about 18 years there will be lots more workers for the baby formula factory

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
33. Yeah and pay them less than adults
Thu May 12, 2022, 08:43 AM
May 2022

Lazy entitled children need to learn that the world is cruel and life isn't fair

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
13. This points out one of the major problems w/ this stock buyouts etc., when the govt gave (during
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:30 PM
May 2022

tRump's admin., w/o telling who received funds until six months later), that companies put the money to not improving their factory lines, business operations, etc., but in buying back stock. Now, the companies that did this are stuck w/ out-of-date business operations, unable to seize increasing business by increased market demands, another way of how business shot themselves in the foot, by poor management of cash received.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
14. Not To Mention...
Wed May 11, 2022, 07:34 PM
May 2022

...two huge recalls from which neither supplier has recovered.
A recall of a couple months supply takes at least 4x the inventory volume time to recover. At least!
If these 2 recalls hadn't happened, this would be local, or maybe regional news. Not national news.
This shabby reinvestment plan may be the cause, but the recall created an avalanche instead of a speed bump.

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
32. This sounds like the mafia gutting a business
Thu May 12, 2022, 07:48 AM
May 2022

Are we sure a Russian Mafia oligarch didn't get hold of the factory?

peppertree

(21,635 posts)
19. It's a small - but telling - example of the Third world-ization of American business
Wed May 11, 2022, 08:25 PM
May 2022

In much of the 3rd world - particularly in Africa - businesses are routinely treated by their boards as little more than cash cows.

Any re-investment into the business is, accordingly, seen as a burden - and as something that defeats the real purpose: which is to line the owners' pockets, and as quickly as possibly.

Naturally, these businesses fail before long - and with it the entire national economy itself, where this mindset becomes generalized.

Sadly, that's the model more and more of Corporate America is following.

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
25. Hey Pepper tree
Wed May 11, 2022, 08:54 PM
May 2022

They are all one millimeter from succeeding!

Welcome to the Facist Corporations of America..................AKA The Republican Party...........

peppertree

(21,635 posts)
26. I hear you.
Wed May 11, 2022, 08:56 PM
May 2022

May it never come to pass - but the CEO-cracy's greed is definitely getting the best of them.

Human nature, alas.

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
29. I don't even want to think about
Wed May 11, 2022, 10:35 PM
May 2022

the life we would be living, here in the U.S., if Trump and Republicans had won...........

None of the Republicans must have children or grand children. Either that or they just don't give a shit about anyone but themselves...


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