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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's get serious. If you think women will be jailed for miscarriages, you're just overreacting
I mean, it's just ludicrous to think that...
Delaware may be the second smallest state in the US, but it's had some big problems with its drug testing lab. A scandal in 2014 revealed that employees at the state's Controlled Substances Lab were stealing drug evidence. The lab was shut down after it was found to be riddled with "systemic failures" including mismanagement, nonexistent security, and bumbling incompetence.
The fallout from that scandal continues as this week Jermaine Dollard, a man convicted in 2012 of supplying cocaine to a Kent County distribution ring, is free and suing the state along with several of its current and former employees. The reason for his lawsuit is that the evidence in his casealleged to be two kilograms of cocainewas recently retested (or tested for the first time, as no one is sure it was ever really tested before) and found to be powdered sugar.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/8qkxzv/a-man-spent-two-years-in-prison-for-cocaine-that-was-powdered-sugar
In December 2015, 64-year-old Daniel Rushing had just dropped off a friend at chemotherapy and was driving home an older woman from his church who worked at the 7-Eleven and would otherwise walk the 2 miles home.
As Rushing drove away from the convenience store, police pulled him over. The officer said he had been driving 42 miles an hour in a 30 zone and had failed to come to a complete stop before entering the roadway. When Rushing handed over his driver's license, Officer Shelby Riggs-Hopkins noticed his concealed-weapons permit. Rushing confirmed he had a pistol, and she asked him to step out of the car for her safety.
But Riggs-Hopkins had noticed some crystals on the floorboard of the car, and when officers used a field testing kit, the white substance tested positive for methamphetamine.
Orlando police sent the evidence it had collected from Rushing's car to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for further testing which determined that just as he'd said, the white crystals were not a controlled substance. (Results did not indicate whether the substance was sweet and delicious.)
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/16/558147669/florida-man-awarded-37-500-after-cops-mistake-glazed-doughnut-crumbs-for-meth
What officials thought was $2M worth of fentanyl seized in a drug bust turned out to be sugar, a drug testing company said.
On July 13, three people were arrested in a drug raid, and deputies in North Carolina seized what they believed to be 13 pounds of fentanyl.
According to CBS affiliate WREG, the New Hanover County Sheriff's Office tested several samples of a powder-like substance that was found with a Scott Company Drug Testing CSI field test kit and determined that the substance was fentanyl.
However, when the state lab tested the powder again, they realized the error. Results from a private company, NMS, proved that the "fentanyl" was actually sugar.
https://www.wvlt.tv/content/news/2M-worth-of-fentanyl-seized-turns-out-to-be-sugar-lab-says--492118231.html
... women who miscarry will ever be accused of murder, be convicted, be jailed, have their lives turned upside down by authorities in a post-Roe world with the best forensic techniques and most unbiased minds. Crazy. It'll never happen.
Never.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,094 posts)HighFired49
(335 posts)and to think that women will be safe traveling out of state to get abortion care won't work either. How many of them will be extradited for "murder" if they try to remain in the state where they went for the service, or be arrested for murder as soon as they leave the health clinic? This court decision is nothing but open season on women who won't accept state control over their bodies.
"Interstate extradition. The Extradition Clause in the US Constitution requires states, upon demand of another state, to deliver a fugitive from justice who has committed a "treason, felony or other crime" to the state from which the fugitive has fled. 18 U.S.C."
elias7
(3,974 posts)uponit7771
(90,193 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,094 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(4,915 posts)Walleye
(30,573 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,808 posts)Republicans will have one more way of incarcerating minorities to keep them from voting.
ck4829
(34,905 posts)Our healthcare system is woefully incompatible with black needs.
https://batten.virginia.edu/about/news/black-americans-are-systematically-under-treated-pain-why
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/population-care/examining-black-us-maternal-mortality-rate-and-how-cut-it
And if Roe v Wade gets overturned, there will be an expectation and maybe even a mandate that they report miscarriages and anything "suspicious" about them. The idea that they could directly create a social problem and then assist in the prosecution of it sounds like something out of Putin's Russia, but it will be red states.
edhopper
(33,075 posts)It's like arresting people because they made a mistake while voting. It also never happens.
RoeVWade
(192 posts)There's this rationalization that "oh well abortion will still be available in other states." usually said by the anti-choice people. But this is not a typical argument choice, because anti-choice side is often claiming murder. So from that perspective there's no reason to think these people will ever leave the issue alone just because it's in the next state.
Wounded Bear
(58,362 posts)lark
(22,941 posts)It's already happened in Texas! If Roe is overturned, you can bet this will happen in other places all over the south and maybe even the deep west? How will the men totally control us if they don't have the ability to punish us?
ck4829
(34,905 posts)people try to report me over sarcasm. But I'm not going to start doing it now, I feel like it takes away from the content.
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Maybe this is a browser issue? There are excerpts that are part of the OP that questions the usage of law enforcement resources.
If people really can't see the excerpts I will definitely change that going forward.
ShazzieB
(15,791 posts)I picked up on the sarcasm here from just reading the title of the first article in the list, but I've been known to miss it in other instances. I doubt if any of us has a 100% perfect sarcasm detector, so I usually use the sarcasm emoji, just in case. (For the record, I don't think it necessarily takes away from the content at all, as long as you put it at the very end of the post.)
Whether to take the risk of being misinterpreted is a personal choice, and my choice is to try to avoid the awkwardness of misunderstandings, because that takes away from the fun for me.
KS Toronado
(16,715 posts)Only one known to man, nobody has ever pulled my leg except a chiropractor.
Grumpy Old Guy
(3,110 posts)That said, I think this is a very good post. Thanks for sharing it.
E. Normus
(72 posts)that life begins at erection! I do not put it past them to try to charge men who jerk off, of being mass murderers. The real issue is that you cannot compel anyone to do anything with their body to help or save a life. Even their own. You cannot even harvest viable organs from a corpse without written consent from the person when they were alive, even though thousands die waiting for those organs. Of course, we can talk about the morality of all this, but I do not see how a woman should have less control over her body than a corpse!
Farmer-Rick
(10,034 posts)There is no scientific evidence that a legal and safe abortion in anyway harms humans, their society or the future of mankind.
So the only reason to force women to eventually give birth to every human zygote created is religious idiocy. Taking away a woman's bodily autonomy for 10 months, it's 40 weeks, not 9 months, (Why do we lie about the length of human gestation?) Because women having sex, even sex forced on them without consent, is a sin. And those women must suffer for their wanton ways, sins and the random desires of rapists.
Now people are going to lock up those women who do not submit to arbitrary religious ideas. Do these thiest know how stupid, cruel and insane they come across? Why do people continue to worship imaginary beings when the results are so awful?
Don't tell me religion is good after watching religious people creating such horrors for half the human population.
slightlv
(2,623 posts)they outlawed abortion because the Church was convinced no one could know but one of the aborted babies could possibly be Christ, himself! argh... saw the movie decades ago, and it had such a devastating effect on me, I still remember it with shiver's to this very day. One of the best movies about anti-choice ever made, IMO.
Texin
(2,584 posts)But the courts will be so log-jammed by resulting civil suits that the so-called justice system will come to a grinding halt.
Emile
(21,548 posts)You can bet your ass they will arrest for a miscarriage!
barbtries
(28,689 posts)niyad
(112,064 posts)hamsterjill
(15,198 posts)I find that ironic.
For me, choice is the litmus test. Not for choice. Not a Democrat.
DBoon
(22,256 posts)It won't be the police investigating and filing charges. It will be a crazy neighbor/Ex/family member on a mission from god.
In a dictatorship, people are accused of crimes in order to settle personal; scores. Someone does something you don't like, they find themselves afoul of the law just because they crossed the wrong person
markie
(22,753 posts)"Is US watching? Woman gets 30-year jail for aggravated homicide on suffering miscarriage in El Salvador"
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/is-us-watching-woman-gets-30-year-jail-for-aggravated-homicide-on-suffering-miscarriage-in-el-salvador/ar-AAX8B8N?ocid=uxbndlbing
"US women are being jailed for having miscarriages"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544
"When Prosecutors Jail a Mother for a Miscarriage"
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/28/opinion/abortion-pregnancy-pro-life.html
"Women could get up to 30 years in prison for having a miscarriage under Georgia's harsh new abortion law"
"https://www.businessinsider.com/women-30-years-prison-miscarriage-georgia-abortion-2019-5"
"US women charged with murder following miscarriage"
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/07/misc-j06.html
"Women jailed for miscarriages"
https://www.rt.com/usa/women-shuai-pregnant-life/
"Indiana Sentences Purvi Patel to 20 Years for Feticide"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/indiana-has-now-charged-two-asian-american-women-feticide-n332761
...and on and on