Nancy Pelosi refused holy communion by archbishop

[Cyrano]

Amazing how some in the Catholic hierarchy are anxious to punish those who believe in abortion, but never say a word about the countless evils the Republican Party has brought down upon us.

I'm not a Catholic, but I certainly hope that their is a public outcry by millions of Catholics against their leaders who carefully pick and choose which particular sins to condemn and which politicians are chosen as their targets.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/05/20/nancy-pelosi-catholic-communion/9861315002/

[True Dough]

1. Lot of responses

in this thread, which is already among the Greatest threads...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216711517

[Cyrano]

4. Sorry, I missed that. But no harm in posting for others who missed it.

[hunter]

16. There's this thread too...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216711644

I usually try to avoid religious wars, but sometimes not.

[2naSalit]

2. As they have done for centuries.

They aren't happy about the restrictions o n their political involvement.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. Fine. Another Church will get your

tithings and donations.

[Mariana]

20. I don't think that's very likely. nt.

[Walleye]

5. Aren't they also against capital punishment?

[Cyrano]

6. Yep. But no condemning governors who enforce it

Wonder why.

[EYESORE 9001]

7. Although Pope Francis is reticent about condemning denial of communion outright

he thinks it is wrong, so this puts the archbishop of San Francisco in the position of a rebel leader. Nice work dynamiting the foundations of your institution, Your Superciliousness.

[PXR-5]

8. Hopefully she didn't put money in the basket.

[LakeArenal]

9. I doubt Nancy "believes in abortion".

She supports choice. It’s not a belief system. It’s terms like that that the other side uses to make it sound evil.

[Mariana]

21. The Church opposes choice. nt.

[LakeArenal]

23. That isn't my point.

[lindysalsagal]

10. Ok. Let's see them refuse the gun lobbyists and their GQP puppets. Murder for money

is OK as long as you sing the church's company line

[Eyeball_Kid]

11. This shunning is not a moral issue. It's a political one.

From Rome downward, a zygote is a POTENTIAL human life. That's how the Catholic Church considers an early pregnancy. And still, after centuries of writings and speculation, the Church will STILL refuse to speak for their God's determination of when a soul is infused into a fetus. Recent assertions of "human life" at conception are theological nonsense. The beginnings of human life are spiritual questions, not political ones. And the politics bends toward oppression and the subjugation of women, and ultimately, the oppression and subjugation of ALL people.

Pelosi's shunning by the Catholic Church is purely political. The Church does not universally condemn political leaders for supporting abortion rights. The very Catholic nation of Ireland has, in the past several years, MADE ABORTION LEGAL. Yet the Church hierarchy is reluctant to condemn any leader in Ireland. Why? The Church is reeling from the loss of assets for several reasons, and tithing will drop even further if the bishops in Ireland were to shun their political leaders.

So we can expect the archbishop of the diocese of San Francisco to lament a drop in tithing revenue because, frankly, Pelosi has a lot of power in her district, and her supporters don't like it when anyone tries to embarrass her. The Catholic Church is in no position to risk the loss of revenue, but they are taking that risk and they'll be subject to economic consequences. The Church is, after all, an organization run by humans and is, by nature, a political organization.

[FakeNoose]

13. Exactly right! The American Catholic leadership needs to stay out of this

They've been sounding like medieval asshats for way too long. When are they going to clean up their own dirty laundry - meaning the pedo-priests? As for Nancy Pelosi herself, I'm sure she can receive communion in another Catholic church if she wanted, since she spends most of her time in Washington DC anyway. She'd never be refused anywhere on the east coast, I'm sure of that.

This archbishop of SF is so out of touch. He'll be losing a lot of young Catholic women from his parishes soon, or maybe it's happening already. It's not that Catholic women are going to suddenly go out and have abortions, no! It's that a group of old, never-married men have no business denying women their own freedom of choice. Especially when the social and political ramifications to women's health are so drastic, as is the case with abortions becoming illegal.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

12. This was added yesterday to my many reasons I'm an ex ex ex ex Catholic...

[NameAlreadyTaken]

14. Here he is 13 years ago

speaking out against gay marriage. (I always thought he was a closet case, by the way.) When he was a priest in San Diego back then, we secretly called him Father Salvatore Fullabaloney.

[Cyrano]

15. Pushing his dogma on other people

and he wants the support of the "community" (state). In Afghanistan, people like that are called The Taliban.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

26. Exactly. We are supposed to have separation of church and state.

[hunter]

19. My kid and I went to war against Proposition Eight.

I don't know if we hardened the haters or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8

My kid would knock on people's doors and tell them flat out that their yellow lawn signs were offensive. Most people were probably so shocked by this direct confrontation they surrendered their signs. We also removed a lot of illegally placed signs, and were actually given a lot of signs by people who simply assumed we were supporters because we were active in church and the Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts in our community were led by a weird alliance of Mormons and Conservative Catholics. Some of the scout leaders were handing out signs, and probably giving some credit for "community service" as well.

We ended up with a garage full of signs which we took apart, separating the plastic and metal, for recycling.

I had a very heated correspondence with our local Bishop about Proposition Eight as well, especially after he donated a substantial sum of money to the local committee for advertising. This local advertising was becoming overtly gay-bashing and the Bishop told me he did it to "control the conversation." No doubt some of his gay and presumably celibate Priests and other important people in the church were getting a little nervous. That money did buy the Bishop veto power over the most offensive advertising, but didn't stop the smiling super-straight mom, dad, and kids bullshit, the implication always being that gay people wanted to disrupt these sacred family bonds.



When I was a kid there was a priest in our town who was preying upon teenage boys. The Bishop at the time magically spirited this priest off to Ireland just ahead of the police. (It was, without a doubt, someone in the police department or district attorney's office who tipped the Bishop off.)

My mom later ambushed the Bishop with questions at a public event and it turned into a girl fight, just like something you'd see on a television sitcom, two queens about to come to blows. It was the Bishop's assistant (chauffeur, bodyguard, whoever he was...) who pulled the Bishop back.

As a child I was traumatized by such incidents. My mom has no respect for authority. She'll probably start a riot at the Pearly Gates when she gets there. It's possible I'm the same.

Like I said in the other thread, The Most Reverend Cordileone is a wanker. Nancy Pelosi is wise to ignore his calls.

If I was writing a Saturday Night Live sketch I'd have Cordleone drunk dialing Ginni Thomas at two in the morning and they could have a good cry about that awful liberal bully Nancy Pelosi.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

25. That is awesome. Thank you

[shrike3]

17. During the kerfuffle over Biden, a local priest told a story during his homily.

He said suggestions that so-and-so "be denied communion" are more common than you think. (Among laity) He once pastored a parish where a woman with a checkered past would present herself for communion. He always gave it to her. Some of the more judgmental of the parish told him he should deny her. He said, "If Jesus doesn't want her to have communion, then let him stop her. I won't."

[keithbvadu2]

18. Weaponizing communion

[BlueIdaho]

22. This says more about the state of

The highly politicized Catholic Church than it does about Speaker Pelosi. Good political figures need to look beyond their own biases and beliefs when considering the rights of all our citizens. That is something you will never see a Republican do.

[DFW]

24. I would just say, "fine, I had other things to do on Sundays, anyhow"

I'm sure there are Catholics to whom that would be a big deal, but I am married to a woman who was raised as a devout Catholic to the point where she, at one point as a little girl, wanted to become a nun (what a waste THAT would have been!!!). When priests in her area started diddling with small girls and boys to the extent that some of them even today, 60 years later, bear serious emotional scars, she got the idea that all was not what it was presented to be, and she "retired" from religion altogether. Though we are sorry it came at a price of the destruction of the childhoods of numerous kids in her area, my daughters and I are very glad she did. Nancy Pelosi is only ten or so years older than we are. It's not too late for to adopt a similar attitude if she wants to. What are they going to do to her if she does? Deny her communion, or something?

[kskiska]

27. They tried that during the John Kerry campaign, also.

It didn't work that time.

As a child I had a priest who was a John Bircher, advocating removal of Chief Justice Earl Warren. Fr. Francis Fenton was a founding member of the conservative John Birch Society, and was on its American Opinion Speakers Bureau, and member of the Orthodox Roman Catholic Movement, which only observed the Latin Mass.