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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,954 posts)
Tue May 24, 2022, 05:41 PM May 2022

Repeal and replace the second amendment

We didn't do anything after Newtown, Columbine, Va. Tech, Parkland, Mandalay Bay, or countless other mass shootings. We won't do anything now.

The only way is to play a long game:repeal and replace the second amendment.

The second amendment gives the right to keep and bear arms but does so in the context of the need for a well-regulated militia. Somehow, "well-regulated" has been lost in translation.

The founding fathers considered enslaved Black people to be 3/5 of a person; did not grant suffrage to women; tolerated slavery; and thought that whoever came in second in the election should be Vice President. They made mistakes. They weren't perfect. The Constitution was not graven on stone tablets by the hand of God, nor was it ever designed to be a suicide pact. It needs to be changed.

Modifying the second amendment to regulate firearms sales and ownership makes sense in modern society. I would point to the Pro-Life/Pro-Forced Birth movement that has made itself a persistent, constant pain in the ass for 50 years. This issue can be won with the same level of commitment. It's a national security issue; a crime issue; a terrorism issue; a suicide issue; a domestic violence issue; an education issue. Mostly, it's a life issue. I've lost a family member and a coworker to gun violence. If America can tell a woman she's not free to use her uterus as she pleases, and America can tell us we can't say "gay", then America can damn well tell people they don't have the God-given right to blow children's heads off.

Thank you for reading this. Pray for our nation.

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maxsolomon

(35,358 posts)
1. "Well-regulated" does NOT mean regulated well.
Tue May 24, 2022, 05:49 PM
May 2022

It means properly equipped, functioning. It's an archaic term that is essentially meaningless now because it's simply a preamble to the meat of the 2nd Amendment:

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Note the superfluous comma after Arms. The worst constructed sentence in the dumb Constitution.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,954 posts)
5. Not overnight, I agree
Tue May 24, 2022, 05:57 PM
May 2022

This is a 50-year project to make people understand that the second amendment is literally killing us. That means making gun use unfashionable; that means making people understand the gun in their house does not make them safer; that means making people understand nobody will outlaw hunting, but we are going to say you can't do it with a semi-automatic assault rifle.

It's about culture change.

SYFROYH

(34,204 posts)
4. The 2nd Amendment really isnt the problem.
Tue May 24, 2022, 05:53 PM
May 2022

Lots of laws that would reduce gun violence could be passed.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,954 posts)
7. The problem is that every gun law has to undergo an expensive legal challenge
Tue May 24, 2022, 05:59 PM
May 2022

The NRA sees to that.

It would be simpler to simply repeal and replace the second amendment with language allowing the states and/or the feds to regulate the sale and possession of firearms.

SYFROYH

(34,204 posts)
12. Wouldnt the government still need laws to allow them regulate sale and possessoin?
Tue May 24, 2022, 06:17 PM
May 2022



Not to mention that there are states with the right to keep and bear arms in their constitutions.

in2herbs

(3,227 posts)
6. Since Thomas is strictly anti-gun control why does he need extra security protection
Tue May 24, 2022, 05:58 PM
May 2022

bc of the UNARMED Roe protesters?

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,954 posts)
9. These are Black Panthers with guns. When this happened, Ronald Reagan signed off on gun control
Tue May 24, 2022, 06:02 PM
May 2022


(in the interest of accuracy, this photo was taken in Seattle)

in2herbs

(3,227 posts)
16. There will be some who will bring up that Congress gave gun mfgrs immunity. The
Tue May 24, 2022, 09:31 PM
May 2022

Sandy Hook families tried to break the immunity but weren't successful.

Maybe instead of Congress voting on even a minimum amount of gun control the members of Congress should be made to publicly vote yes or no about maintaining the immunity of gun mfgrs. Where is Schumer on this?

BTW: I am VERY proud of AZ Rep. Gallegos twitter feed today. Last election he contemplated running against Sinema but was forced to change his mind because his was a safe seat. That's how we got Sen. Sinema.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
14. The Constitution spells out how to do so quite clearly.
Tue May 24, 2022, 06:27 PM
May 2022

It would require a supermajority vote (2/3rds) in both the House and the Senate, followed by approval in three quarters of the state legislatures (38 of 50).

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
15. Repeal and replace will not happen in the next couple of generations.
Tue May 24, 2022, 06:52 PM
May 2022

However, all the SC has to do is define Well regulated militia in the context of the day, and they could deal with the problem as effectively as civilized Democracies. (I did not say other) About a third of the country would get their panties in a serious wad, but they could either get over it, or cry about it. If we have a shooting war, better it be on gun nuts than elementary students. We are talking about arming teachers and building prisons for our children to be schooled in..WTF is wrong with us?


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