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KPN

(16,160 posts)
Wed May 25, 2022, 12:57 PM May 2022

I feel like the earth just moved. My 68 year old brother

who has been an ultra conservative right winger for the past 20 years or so just left me a voice mail. He called to let me know he has changed his mind about 2nd Amendment rights after yesterday’s Texas school shooting and would now even support all guns just being banned. He said he just “can’t allow this stuff to go on anymore”.

I’m still processing this thinking what in hell took him so long.

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I feel like the earth just moved. My 68 year old brother (Original Post) KPN May 2022 OP
Good for him! CaliforniaPeggy May 2022 #1
Wow! I hope there are thousands more out there leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #2
Steve Kerr Quoted A Statistic Last Night ProfessorGAC May 2022 #29
Wonderful to hear. FM123 May 2022 #3
Ask him if that includes voting for Democrats SoonerPride May 2022 #4
"...what in hell took him so long" Wednesdays May 2022 #5
Wish my brother would come around elias7 May 2022 #6
Breaking an addiction or cult membership often takes a real shock, or "hitting rock bottom" usonian May 2022 #7
May there be a 10 million+ realizations just like your brother's. peppertree May 2022 #8
This is all well and good but as my late father would say... llmart May 2022 #9
Jeeebz give the man a little more time to get to the place electric_blue68 May 2022 #34
He's HAD time. mwb970 May 2022 #38
If your brother lives in Texas, I hope he supports Beto FakeNoose May 2022 #10
Hopefully more people on the right will adopt your brother's feelings. beaglelover May 2022 #11
Funny, I'm not for banning all guns Warpy May 2022 #12
Agreed, nor am I for banning all people from owning. soldierant May 2022 #24
Unfortunately, it seems 90% pf tjpse guns were sold to exacly those people Warpy May 2022 #27
I agree completely. murielm99 May 2022 #36
The right is now so extreme that they are radicalizing the majority of Americans--to oppose them. BadgerMom May 2022 #13
My new mantra..."Repeal the 2nd" flying_wahini May 2022 #14
It certainly i no longer needed. soldierant May 2022 #25
The earth moved people May 2022 #15
Good that he's changed his mind about guns, but ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2022 #16
At SOME point DFW May 2022 #17
is it possible that some hardcore "2nd amendment supporters" feel guilt? AlexSFCA May 2022 #18
I understand, great, but I'm not holding BootinUp May 2022 #19
Finally had enough, I guess. Even for him. calimary May 2022 #20
He finally listened to the soul part of Mind... it just may be the start of awareness of others! Karadeniz May 2022 #21
Ok..vm.means you didnt dream it Demovictory9 May 2022 #22
I just sent this to my rep. VILE warning The Jungle 1 May 2022 #23
Good for you and your brother... Mozeltov Cocktail May 2022 #26
For now... until propagandists change his mind. live love laugh May 2022 #28
Thank him profusely....and see if you can get him to talk to his friends Fresh_Start May 2022 #30
Good on him! Aussie105 May 2022 #31
My guess. Too many children be shot to death. Joinfortmill May 2022 #32
Millions of people need Turbineguy May 2022 #33
Good for him treestar May 2022 #35
We need the balls to start a movement to repeal the second amendment SpankMe May 2022 #37
tell him to vote for it. pansypoo53219 May 2022 #39
I hope he doesn't take it back. Dark n Stormy Knight May 2022 #40
what took him so long? barbtries May 2022 #41
He'll flip right back when Dems again try and ban assult rifles Bengus81 May 2022 #42
One down--millions to go! pandr32 May 2022 #43
Better late than never? BobTheSubgenius May 2022 #44

CaliforniaPeggy

(152,382 posts)
1. Good for him!
Wed May 25, 2022, 12:59 PM
May 2022

When beliefs are so firmly entrenched (as his undoubtedly were) it takes a huge earthquake to dislodge them.

Looks like he got his quake!

ProfessorGAC

(70,510 posts)
29. Steve Kerr Quoted A Statistic Last Night
Wed May 25, 2022, 06:23 PM
May 2022

Kerr is a known liberal who head coaches the Golden State Warriors. His father was assassinated while working in the middle east. So, he knows how those families feel, to great extent.
He used a stat showing 90% of Americans support universal background checks.
I looked that up, and found the very number he used. Also, over 80% approved of at least a 15 day waiting period.
He called out the 50 R senators, in no uncertain terms, as well.
He was LIVID!!!

FM123

(10,132 posts)
3. Wonderful to hear.
Wed May 25, 2022, 01:03 PM
May 2022

Always a shock when hearts and minds change, but sometimes they do.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
4. Ask him if that includes voting for Democrats
Wed May 25, 2022, 01:05 PM
May 2022

Because we need Democrats to make that happen.

usonian

(14,521 posts)
7. Breaking an addiction or cult membership often takes a real shock, or "hitting rock bottom"
Wed May 25, 2022, 01:32 PM
May 2022

The man has lifted a great burden from his soul.

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
8. May there be a 10 million+ realizations just like your brother's.
Wed May 25, 2022, 01:34 PM
May 2022

It's clear he's a good man who loves his country sincerely - not just the flag-waving, gun-toting, GI-Joe box set image.

Batteries sold separately.

llmart

(16,331 posts)
9. This is all well and good but as my late father would say...
Wed May 25, 2022, 01:38 PM
May 2022

"talk is cheap". What will your brother do now with his new found revelation? Will he contact his Congress people and tell him that? Will he then vote for Democrats that support gun control and a ban on automatic weapons? If not, then, as I said, his talk is worthless.

FakeNoose

(35,980 posts)
10. If your brother lives in Texas, I hope he supports Beto
Wed May 25, 2022, 01:38 PM
May 2022

This could make all the difference!

In any case maybe he'll convince his rightwing gun-loving friends to see the light like he has.

beaglelover

(4,110 posts)
11. Hopefully more people on the right will adopt your brother's feelings.
Wed May 25, 2022, 01:39 PM
May 2022

It's amazing we are currently have more mass shootings per year than there are days in the year. There is something seriously broken in the USA. I don't know what the problem is or what the solution is, but it's heartbreaking what is happening to the USA.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
12. Funny, I'm not for banning all guns
Wed May 25, 2022, 02:04 PM
May 2022

I live out west and people who live outside the city need that hunting rifle and/or shotgun. This is bear, cougar and coyote country.

What need to go are all those semiauto killing machines, whether pistols or long guns. There is no way they should be allowed in a civilian population. It's insane, people, and I don't care how many people hove only fired them at a gun range. Their hobby is just too fucking expensive. They need to find a new one.

soldierant

(7,965 posts)
24. Agreed, nor am I for banning all people from owning.
Wed May 25, 2022, 04:27 PM
May 2022

But some guns and some people should never be allowed in proximity.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
27. Unfortunately, it seems 90% pf tjpse guns were sold to exacly those people
Wed May 25, 2022, 04:56 PM
May 2022

People tell me they love the AR 15 for coyotes after their sheep. They need to practice their skill with their old 30-06. Oddly enough, those do more damage if they hit a human being. They just do it with far greater difficulty.

If these gunhumping hosers go into withdrawal after Precious is gone, let them join the military or the NG or go to a garden spot like Yemen, where they can own full auto. They'll be in a war, but hey, full auto!

murielm99

(31,498 posts)
36. I agree completely.
Wed May 25, 2022, 10:03 PM
May 2022

I live rural. We are retired farmers in the Midwest. Every farmer up and down the road has a rifle or shotgun. No one needs an AR to take care of varmints or destructive critters. I can't imagine shooting a diseased possum with an AR 15.

BadgerMom

(2,983 posts)
13. The right is now so extreme that they are radicalizing the majority of Americans--to oppose them.
Wed May 25, 2022, 02:06 PM
May 2022

We must work like crazy to get out the vote, expand the Senate to a true majority while hanging on to the House. Then, we must move with power. Drop the filibuster, expand the SC, make DC and Puerto Rico states if they so desire, expand voting rights, control guns and put women’s health in the hands of women. I’d love to think the DOJ could open a RICO investigation into the GOP. I understand how radical these ideas now sound thanks to corporate-owned media and the decades long rightward slide of the Overton window, but I fully believe only bold action will salvage our democracy at this point. The well has been poisoned over the years so that bold ideas by Democrats are villainized while Republicans like Sen. Lee can state that the US wasn’t conceived as a democracy, everyone yawns and the news cycle grinds on. Something’s gotta give.

soldierant

(7,965 posts)
25. It certainly i no longer needed.
Wed May 25, 2022, 04:29 PM
May 2022

Some history:

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-24-2022

We have completely lost the intention, and furthermore, it has been turned into a fundraising scam.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,819 posts)
16. Good that he's changed his mind about guns, but ...
Wed May 25, 2022, 02:20 PM
May 2022

... will he vote for Democratic candidates to make that happen?

DFW

(56,812 posts)
17. At SOME point
Wed May 25, 2022, 02:23 PM
May 2022

Even Republicans figure out that their leadership, for whatever (to us) unfathomable reason, considers unborn children to be sacred, and children already born to be target practice.

Maybe SOME of them are finally arriving at the conclusion that there is something horribly perverse about that stance.

AlexSFCA

(6,273 posts)
18. is it possible that some hardcore "2nd amendment supporters" feel guilt?
Wed May 25, 2022, 02:43 PM
May 2022

after all, those innocent kids would probably have likely lived if not for their continuous support of free access to guns of all kinds. I hope that some start to feel that guilt and change their voting pattern. Pictures of kids before and after would help accelerate the process.

calimary

(84,575 posts)
20. Finally had enough, I guess. Even for him.
Wed May 25, 2022, 02:54 PM
May 2022

Thanks for sharing this moment with us, KPN.

Glad he finally got there, but I'm in anguish about those 19 innocent little lives and how THEY had to die for him to finally get to "I've had enough." MSNBC just did a brief segment about some of those lost little loves, those sweet little angels, and I cried all over again. It's beyond imagining.

And frankly, I don't want to hear ANY MORE from Greg Abbott about mental health. That's ALWAYS the fall-back. That's ALWAYS the excuse. FUCK YOU, Abbott! There are hundreds of millions of people across the globe who have mental health issues to deal with - and THEY DON'T GUN UP AND GO MASSACRE A CLASSROOM FULL OF LITTLE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like YOU are the one with the "mental health" issues, Abbott!

Karadeniz

(23,503 posts)
21. He finally listened to the soul part of Mind... it just may be the start of awareness of others!
Wed May 25, 2022, 03:00 PM
May 2022
 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
23. I just sent this to my rep. VILE warning
Wed May 25, 2022, 03:43 PM
May 2022

Did your repuke friends in texass use a dump truck to move the dead babies.
I bet you think I am the sick one. DO SOMETHING!!! (he will not respond)

Did I go to far? I think we need to get some attention.

Mozeltov Cocktail

(200 posts)
26. Good for you and your brother...
Wed May 25, 2022, 04:53 PM
May 2022

It gives me a small measure of hope.

Face it, if we're actually waiting for a mass shooting event to sway republicans, it will never happen. There is no bottom to their depravity and ability to brush away mass murder. Their opposition to masks and vaccines killed hundreds of thousands, a handful of slaughtered children is a mild inconvenience.
I'm extremely happy for your brother's epiphany and I hope for a million my more...

live love laugh

(14,535 posts)
28. For now... until propagandists change his mind.
Wed May 25, 2022, 05:50 PM
May 2022

And make this about “the Democrats” or some other BS.

Fresh_Start

(11,342 posts)
30. Thank him profusely....and see if you can get him to talk to his friends
Wed May 25, 2022, 06:30 PM
May 2022

and change more minds.

Aussie105

(6,450 posts)
31. Good on him!
Wed May 25, 2022, 07:42 PM
May 2022

One more American finally gets it!

You can't have safety and peace if half of the country is geared up for war.

SpankMe

(3,304 posts)
37. We need the balls to start a movement to repeal the second amendment
Wed May 25, 2022, 11:21 PM
May 2022

It'll take 50 years. But it'll be worth it. Republicans waited 50 years for their abortion ban. We should start a 50-year project for a gun ban.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,046 posts)
40. I hope he doesn't take it back.
Thu May 26, 2022, 01:28 AM
May 2022

Like the Rs who criticized Pissolini immediately after the insurrection.

barbtries

(29,941 posts)
41. what took him so long?
Thu May 26, 2022, 07:07 AM
May 2022

it's something to wonder about isn't it. there weren't enough dead bodies until now? But best not to bring it up to him i think. I'm glad he's changed his mind.

Bengus81

(7,482 posts)
42. He'll flip right back when Dems again try and ban assult rifles
Thu May 26, 2022, 07:11 AM
May 2022

He'll be screaming about the 2nd Amendment and his freedums.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,807 posts)
44. Better late than never?
Thu May 26, 2022, 11:57 AM
May 2022

I know. That bromide is really weak tea, but it springs to nimbly to mind.

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