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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have been watching the coverage of this horror since the very beginning,
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And as a near-70 year old, Im going to say a couple things that I believe I have license to say.
First of all, do you really think that these Republicans care about 20+ individuals when they sanction the deaths of over 1,000,000 by being Covid deniers, anti-VAXXERS and liberated non-mask wearers? It was fine for people to get sick, be put on ventilators, and die in blue states particularly, and quite frankly these assholes didnt give a shit what state somebody was from because they had a preconceived political agenda the entire time. So I ask you, why would they care about little kids who would probably grow up to vote Democratic in any event? They wouldnt and even if they were Republican kids, you know, towheaded kids from Kansas or Oklahoma, they still wouldnt give a shit. Because theyre not their kids, and even then, even if they were their kids, they wouldnt give a shit about them either because they dont give a shit about anything or anyone except their own personal selves. The sooner Democrats realize they are not playing on the same field as these people the sooner we can retake the majority in a majority of states with relative ease. I am sick and tired of pretending that there is a moral compass for these people. Theres simply is not.
I will say that I rather pleased with the vast number of media individuals who are clearly viscerally horrified and outraged by this. At least there is some humanity dwelling beneath the prettied up exteriors of many of these folk, and other then Im sure Fox, Newsmax, and a few others, I think the broadcast and print journalists have done a very credible job of being appropriately emotional given the pure unadulterated horror of the circumstance.
As a coda, I want to say this as someone who lived through the era: when we watched live television following the shooting and murder of President Kennedy, we heard people telling untruths, misinformed assumptions, watched weird things happen such as the fact that the Texas school book depository was not sealed off at all whatsoever and even bystanders in and some police were concerned about that fact
We watch this all unfold on TV live and knew that a lot of what they were feeding us was simply bullshit. Yes I know there are a fair number of you out there who are Warren Commission defenders, and good for you. But I will tell you that it was so clearly a whole bunch of ridiculousness even very shortly after assassination they said that there was a known communist in the area and that they were searching for him. You know, they were flyers placed on windshields and telephone poles which were clearly placed by the right wing extremists calling for Kennedys removal from office by one horrifying method or another and all of a sudden the powers that be knew exactly who the one person could be who assassinated him, we knew at the time it was ridiculous and I was just a kid . But thats how it works folks, these people lie and because of our advanced technology they calling these lies much more easily and much more quickly than they did in the old days, when we relied upon processing a film, or typed reports, or witness testimony which was always impeachable. Do you know all those people standing near the limousine who distinctly heard shots coming from the grassy knoll and saw smoke from the report of the rifle behind the fence were seeing things, but the people in the street who saw someone at the sixth floor window were considered right on the money and correct in their visualization without question. When they show the photo of the three spent cartridges neatly arranged and stated that was how they found them, my father burst out laughing saying that the ejection of cartridges in all the years he was in the army in combat never once had they lined up so perfectly. Remarkable
So I suppose my point is that Im used to the lies and the bullshit from people wearing badges and guns and Texas cowboy hats and you know what? I aint buying it now and I didnt buy it then. These people are up to the tops of their cowboy boots in shit and all that tough guy crap was thrown out the window watching these people stand around afraid of an 18 year old with a gun which he apparently had never used before and allowed tiny children to be murdered in order to save their own precious souls. I never wanna hear this bullshit again about the thin blue line and all that crap . If they had just opened or blown that door open and five guys firing automatic weapons toward the one man standing with a semi automatic weapon, he would have been so shredded that they would need DNA to identify him. Yes there were risks to the peace officers but how many movies have we watched where the cop or spouse make some reference to the fact that this could be the last time they see them, and they could be any day anytime. Well, not for these cops because I said In another post:he who runs away lives. to run away another day. I dont recall being so revolted about an issue in this fashion. I grew up with the manhandling and assassination of leftists and civil rights leaders and politicians and others, but that engendered anger and rage in me. This just turned my stomach.
spanone
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SWBTATTReg
(22,158 posts)how to prevent even more deaths from happening. Somehow, this method of quickly ending such events to prevent more deaths has eluded the TX authorities, so I don't know who messed up, but the fact that they let it go on for so long doesn't bode well for the TX authorities.
I hope that they seriously look at this whole process of what the authorities did in this particular case, I suspect politics may have played a role when it shouldn't have, saving the lives of victims in my mind is first and foremost the top priority, giving care and medical treatment is the next to the top priority, and then all else follows.
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IronLionZion
(45,523 posts)and it's not like the Uvalde police chief doesn't know better. He has 3 decades of experience and just held a training exercise 2 months ago on a simulated school shooting.
Hekate
(90,787 posts)There is a sneaky little voice far back in my mind that asks, Were the cops waiting for the shooter to finish up?
Joinfortmill
(14,455 posts)GoodRaisin
(8,928 posts)or LGBTQ persons, rather than face an 18 year old male who is in the process of murdering children with a gun.
The word is cowards.
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GoodRaisin
(8,928 posts)in the girls bathroom, theyd knock each other over trying to get in and make that arrest.
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Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)"putting their lives on the line" for us every day is going to get an earful.
Cheezoholic
(2,030 posts)"Lets not forget what took down this psychopath in Uvalde, a gun".
Wait yesterday you said the regurgitation of guns don't kill, people do. I'm so confused my scared of everything leader.
area51
(11,920 posts)Agree completely.
cate94
(2,813 posts)The thing that probably pissed me off the most about police cowardice in this instance, they were wearing Kevlar vests. They had guns. They let little kids die. I feel that they were as much to blame for this massacre as the fuckwit with the AR-15.
Joinfortmill
(14,455 posts)Cozmo
(1,402 posts)How can we reach the vast crazed populace that are being used and abused. Greedy, power hungry republicans are no longer trying to hide their fascism. It's all out there why isn't everybody in this country outraged? They outlaw abortion yet advocate for assault weapon use for everyone. The dichotomy is outstanding. I am of your generation and I am so grateful. I was so enthused by my future many years ago. I wish I could share the enthusiasm I felt back then with generations to come.
Kid Berwyn
(14,953 posts)
Thee shall know them. They are exposed for the evil they are.
The reason we havent gotten them out is they have controlled the narrative, the workplace and the banks.
All we got is the truth. Ultimately, thats what really matters.
calimary
(81,454 posts)I have cried so many times, since the news of the latest massacre on Tuesday, that I've lost track.
I feel like I'm walking around trying to manage a 500-pound weight strapped to my back. And I can't escape the worry - are my (adult) children safe? And what about my very young grandchildren? Are they next?
PCIntern
(25,580 posts)And I apologize for all the errors - Im dictating and trying to correct on my phone with my stubby fingers complicated by autocorrect.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)The day of the murders, my high school junior son texted me from school
Kids are saying theres another shooting. Is it bad? I told him yes its bad
He says can I come home? I told him to leave school and come home
kids shouldnt have to shoulder this. Its too much.
Cheezoholic
(2,030 posts)My old lunch boxes are going for 10k on collectors sites. What price are these kids gonna go for. Stock prices of domestic arms dealers.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)they do not even believe in America, fuck them all
Joinfortmill
(14,455 posts)usonian
(9,860 posts)Short version is that chaos means weak government, and that means little or no regulation of oligarchs. Period.
Slightly longer: In recent times, three groups, oligarchs/tycoons, evangelical bullshitters, and the customary politicians have felt declining influence (of the persuasion variety) and have ganged up to gain secular/political power (of the brute force variety) riding the horse of racism, the oldest "vehicle" for gaining power in history. This gets their "base" and then again there are the usual lies like "trickle down economics" ( I call that golden showers) and other nationalistic crap.
For more details, read this great series on DKos
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/6/2044226/-America-2021-The-Good-the-Bad-the-Ugly
Democracy in Crisis: Weve Been Headed Here for Decades. Part 1of 8
Read all 8 to get the pattern in detail.
For a look into the crooked minds of the perpetrators, read
The Psychology of Genocide by Steven K. Baum. (2008)
He groups people into three categories: Perpetrators, Bystanders, and Rescuers.
How Frickin appropriate is that TODAY?
And, to get an idea how the "cult" behaves, read
When Society Becomes an Addict by Anne Wilson Schaef,
because cult behavior shares lots of patterns with addiction.
When you read the list, you will recognize lots of folks in the Wacko Party.
And those are my recommendations. I can't possibly summarize other than what's at the top.
I finally read through this post by Brooklynite, and the amazing article it references (at Politico)
https://democraticunderground.com/100216737897
'There's This Really Consistent Pathway': How Society Can Stop Mass Shooters Before They Act
ABSOLUTELY worth a read.
That's the summary. The longer article is at Politico.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762
Mass shooters overwhelmingly fit a certain profile, say Jillian Peterson and James Densley, which means its possible to ID and treat them before they commit violence.
And I have said my peace!
ShazzieB
(16,499 posts)They fucked up royally and then they lied about it in an apparent attempt to save face. The first is appalling, and the second is inexcusable. They all make me sick.
That's really all I have to say at this point.
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)before giving any facts. As numb as I was from watching the first day, when the police started out by praising themselves and police in general in that first press conference, my 60s bullshit detector was screaming. Yes, police do a necessary job, are well paid, but they are supposed to do that job.
The fact is that firefighters have a more dangerous job in general and have a higher death and injury on the job rate.
And the fact is that much of the investigation results of the Kennedy assassination have still not been declassified andreleased despite promises over and over to do so.
Hugin
(33,198 posts)Not to distract from the power of your lengthy and wholly correct righteous thesis and disclosure.
When I was attending college my associates and I frequented a local kitschy restaurant where the style was to hang all sorts of found items on the walls with eclectic mismatched furnishings. Like you were eating in someones attic or basement.
Anyway the booths in this establishment were fashioned from old bookcases and to add to the effect there were books permanently fastened to some of the shelves.
On one of our first visits we happened to sit in one of these booths. I looked up and saw bound in blue paper a copy of the Warren Commission report. Cynically nailed to the shelf sealed shut.
I remember saying under my breath, Seriously?
I pointed it out to my friends as we were just born or not quite when the events of JFKs death occurred. I had to explain the significance of the report to them. To see it there was surreal.
After that I always made it a point to sit in that booth.