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Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
Sat May 28, 2022, 10:26 AM May 2022

So, Bill Clinton saved a lot of lives. Jimmy Carter did the same by passing seat belt laws.

Number of deaths went down dramatically in car accident. 1979 55,000 deaths...last year..35,000

But 100,000,000 more cars, and 100,000,000 more people. far fewer deaths, far more people
,...Got that picture? ...........................................Check these numbers out..They are correct...
.........go to Deaths of the Highway ....Wikipedia...

I guess we save lives, and the Republicans take lives. It is that simple. Guess who cares more about
lives? Them or us?.............Ain't complicated...Is it?

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So, Bill Clinton saved a lot of lives. Jimmy Carter did the same by passing seat belt laws. (Original Post) Stuart G May 2022 OP
This again? Cars had seat belts, lap and shoulder, long before Jimmy Carter was in office. mahatmakanejeeves May 2022 #1
Jimmy Carter made them a requirement in 1979..They were NOT a requirement before then.. Stuart G May 2022 #2
Yes, they were. mahatmakanejeeves May 2022 #3
No they were not..They were extra added attractions ..I remember. You paid extra.. Stuart G May 2022 #4
You are lying..THEY WERE NOT REQUIRIED..!!!!!!!!!! Stuart G May 2022 #5
Please. mahatmakanejeeves May 2022 #6
While seat belts are "required" in cars.. "wearing one is "Not Required" Stuart G May 2022 #7
Seat belt laws vary from state to state.. Some laws are for front passenters only Stuart G May 2022 #8

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
2. Jimmy Carter made them a requirement in 1979..They were NOT a requirement before then..
Sat May 28, 2022, 10:31 AM
May 2022

Seat belts and lap and shoulder harnesses were .........."extra added attraction" before Carter gave the order..

You got it wrong...I didn't get it wrong. You did

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,437 posts)
3. Yes, they were.
Sat May 28, 2022, 10:32 AM
May 2022

We had this thread a long time ago. I'm looking for it now.

Both lap and shoulder belts have been required in automobiles since the late 1960s.

They were not an option.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
4. No they were not..They were extra added attractions ..I remember. You paid extra..
Sat May 28, 2022, 10:35 AM
May 2022

for seat belts and shoulder harnesses before. Then, after 84, they became a requirement..

They were NOT a requirement before ..They were available, but not a requirement.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
5. You are lying..THEY WERE NOT REQUIRIED..!!!!!!!!!!
Sat May 28, 2022, 10:36 AM
May 2022

...AFTER CARTER MADE THEM A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY BE IN CARS...
..............THEN SOME STATES MADE WEARING THE SEATBELTS A REQUIREMENT....

THAT IS IN THE LATE 80S OR 90S. SOME STATES MADE IT A REQUIREMENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, SOME WAITED.
..i TAUGHT THIS IN HIGH SCHOOL

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,437 posts)
6. Please.
Sat May 28, 2022, 10:38 AM
May 2022
Seat belt laws in the United States

{snip}

Most seat belt laws in the United States are left to the states and territories. However, the first seat belt law was a federal law, Title 49 of the United States Code, Chapter 301, Motor Safety Standard, which took effect on January 1, 1968, that required all vehicles (except buses) to be fitted with seat belts in all designated seating positions. This law has since been modified to require three-point seat belts in outboard-seating positions, and finally three-point seat belts in all seating positions.

{snip}

Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards

Matthew Raifman
Oct 18, 2017

Legislating Automated Vehicle Safety

Background on Motor Vehicle Standards: 50 Years in the Making

The first Federal Safety Standards went into effect in 1968 following the passage of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1966. Those first regulations required that U.S. passenger cars have front and rear seat belts, padded instrument panels, door locks and hinges, and front disc brakes, among other safety improvements. Additional regulations followed mandating components that we now take for granted, like roof crush resistant construction in 1971, front air bags in 1984, and electronic stability control in 2007.

All of these safety standards, and many more, are compiled in the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) and codified in the U.S. Code Title 49, Chapter 301. These function as a sort of checklist of design, construction, and performance requirements that any automobile operating on U.S. roads must meet.

https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*B5nQrhq09GS5X2dfwnRVqA.png

{snip}

The image address contains an asterisk. Copy it and open the image in a new browser to see how far back seat belts are on the timeline.

Federal code gets updated from time to time, so what you read in U.S. Code Title 49, Chapter 301 now is the current version. I have to link to an old Federal Register or issue of the CFR to provide a look at the original version.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
8. Seat belt laws vary from state to state.. Some laws are for front passenters only
Sat May 28, 2022, 11:17 AM
May 2022

Wearing of seat belts are mandatory in 49 states except in New Hampshire, where only those under 18 are required to buckle up.Take note that safety belt laws cover front-seat passengers only in some states, while those in29 states and D.C. cover all rear-seat occupants, as stated by the Insurance Institute of Highway Safety. VroomVroomVroom explains the difference between primary and secondary enforcement.

https://www.vroomvroomvroom.com/driving-tips/seat-belt/#:~:text=Wearing%20of%20seat%20belts%20are,are%20required%20to%20buckle%20up.

I guess the argument was wrong, it was really do you have to put on a seat belt, not if they are required in cars.

Front-seat passengers only in some states, while those in 29 states & D.C. cover all occupants.

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