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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJHC!!! Video appears to show Texas 911 dispatchers relaying information from children in classroom
GMA via Yahoo News"Child is advising he is in the room, full of victims," the dispatcher can be heard saying in the video. "Full of victims at this moment."
"Is anybody inside of the building at this...?" the dispatcher asked.
Response to In It to Win It (Original post)
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secondwind
(16,903 posts)They need to be behind bars, imho.
He was inside the school for 77 MINUTES. 🤬
mn9driver
(4,429 posts)As civilians , probably nothing will happen to them. Except that they might lose their job.
mopinko
(70,294 posts)may not be exactly the same, but i sure hope they use that word in the firing docs.
SKKY
(11,831 posts)...although that would probably just be an add-on.
Shipwack
(2,180 posts)According to a couple of Supreme Court cases, police are not obligated to react to protect citizens
https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again
As for being fired over this, I suppose they -could-. Florida is a so-called right to work state. They could be fired for having mismatched socked, or if the mayor wanted to give his nephew a job.
WILL they be fired
I dunno. It probably depends on if they can stall until the public loses interest, or if it is decided it would be a good PR move.
Delphinus
(11,845 posts)their job then?
Ray Bruns
(4,123 posts)Novara
(5,866 posts)I don't trust THIS SCOTUS but that decision needs to be challenged.
It appears that the Parkland students sued based on their definition of being in custody - i.e. schooling is mandated so they were in the custody of the state and therefore, police have a duty to protect people who are in custody. And the court ruled they were not in police custody, so they don't have a responsibility to protect them. Their Constitutional duty to protect only extends to people in police custody.
Seems a good lawyer could parse this - not based on custody, but another legal precept. Do cops take any sort of oath when they become cops?
........
A little googling says they do take an oath to the Constitution and then it would seem every police force is different regarding what else they may include in the oath. I'd like to know what sort of oath Uvalde cops take and if they can be charged with violating it. Something should be done. There needs to be accountability. If they get away with such unfathomable dereliction, then cops are basically useless.
I mean, they stood in the hallway for more than an hour while children bled to death! And they knew kids were still alive in that room!
we can do it
(12,210 posts)But cops are allowed to be scared.😡
PJMcK
(22,065 posts)They were cowards and now they're caught. Children died because the cops didn't do their damn jobs.
That police force should be disbanded and rebuilt with professionals.
underpants
(182,988 posts)They have to be hoping that the further we get away from that day, the more likely everything will just back to how things were. Since the Texas Dept of Safety (whatevs) jumped into it by get caught in flat out lies too they were provide cover for the local cops.
The people there (very close knit from what I understand) wont forget and the man in the mirror dont lie.
Probatim
(2,550 posts)If these clowns wait a few more days, another egregious mass shooting will take place and we'll forget about Uvalde.
That's a shitty thing to say. It's what will happen in the news. It's where we are as a society.
underpants
(182,988 posts)niyad
(113,748 posts)believe that they needed information from the chikdren being massacred before they could do anything????
JFC, who trains these people???
spanone
(135,919 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I hope something comes of that.
At the very least, that Arredondo idiot should be fired.
Mozeltov Cocktail
(200 posts)I'm guessing that there is still much worse revelations waiting to come out. I don't really want to speculate but the Uvalde police department released a statement within 20 hours of the shooting, stating that all the dead and wounded had been shot by the lone shooter...this was a stand alone statement about facts that typically would not be known within 20 hours of a shooting of this size and scope.
More telling now, is their refusal to cooperate with the DOJ...
Arrendonde was elected May 7th to serve on the city council...he was supposed to be sworn in today (May 31st).
In It to Win It
(8,303 posts)The DOJ said that the city mayor asked for the DOJ investigation... which sounds odd but ok
Mozeltov Cocktail
(200 posts)I did not know that there was a different investigation... thanks
AdamGG
(1,297 posts)machoneman
(4,016 posts)Doubt this fact? Check the pics posted here on DU of the cops, then read the names of the kids.
harumph
(1,919 posts)I don't think race played a part in this - possible fear of getting shot, lack of leadership - yes.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)LeftInTX
(25,711 posts)Law enforcement is a popular career for Latinos in South Texas
Good pay, good benefits, good job security
ShazzieB
(16,606 posts)Uvalde school district police chief Pedro Pete Arredondo was the one in charge when the cops were all standing around outside the school with their heads up their asses instead of going in and rescuing the kids.
This story about the cops being white needs to die in a fire. It's not only untrue; it's a red herring creating a distraction from the actual facts.
Dukkha
(7,341 posts)Total bullshit fabrication. As bad as Canon conspiracist
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,487 posts)aggiesal
(8,941 posts)These officials have to either resign or seriously get voted out.
In It to Win It
(8,303 posts)Either they tell a different version of the events or someone breaks it in the news.
Mozeltov Cocktail
(200 posts)...ruled that police officers are not compelled or obligated to endanger their own safety...yep, that's it...
NBachers
(17,160 posts)Hav
(5,969 posts)about kids being trapped in the room with the killer. Very precise and concise delivery of the crucial information. The dispatcher who talked directly to the scared kids must be devastated as well.
In It to Win It
(8,303 posts)completely failed at such a critical time. It just seemed like every layer of the system failed, from dispatcher to command to officers.
As more details come out, the picture gets clearer and the more it seems that isn't so true.
70sEraVet
(3,530 posts)See how confident he feels, that one of those cops would take a bullet for him.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,171 posts)I wonder what the actual reason was. Three of them I think.
Dukkha
(7,341 posts)But who am I kidding they never care. It's always far more important to stay deeply entrenched in tribalism than to actually give a shit about their own children's lives. Their dysfunctional minds will spin any kind of excuse.
In It to Win It
(8,303 posts)To place the blame on the police, which they absolutely share some blame here. I think they are going to keep the topic on the actions of the police rather than the easy access to guns. They will blame the loss of life on the police rather than the guns.