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bluestarone

(16,341 posts)
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 05:50 PM Jun 2022

Help me out here. I'm confused about the New Mexico county that was ordered by NM. SC to ratify!

What would happen IF like Florida or Texas SC or any other RETHUGLICON state SC, refused to order one of its its own counties to do the same? Then what would happen?

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duhneece

(4,071 posts)
1. It's a scary thought
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 06:06 PM
Jun 2022

I’m in this Otero County and I’m grateful we have a Democratic Secretary of State and AG.
The threat of violence here is thick. I was accused of making threats on the family who sold our commission on fake audit.

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Then he posted a gun-porn picture on his Facebook page.

bluestarone

(16,341 posts)
3. Sorry to hear this!
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 06:13 PM
Jun 2022

You're right this country is getting SCARIER day by day! I also thanked God you're Secretary of State was a Democrat. That's the reason i ask this question. Would shutting down our elections be that simple? (Just allow each county make their stupid fucking decisions) I'm pretty sure states like Florida and Texas WILL DO THIS! Than what? TYVM for you're reply. Stay safe there!

Hugin

(32,367 posts)
12. The two week sentence on a misdemeanor and time served was a real deterrent.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 07:24 PM
Jun 2022

To nobody.

In fact it has only encouraged more horseshit.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. Either the courts would have to decide who the candidate is, or there would be no candidate.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 06:10 PM
Jun 2022

The matter could end up in the federal courts.

bluestarone

(16,341 posts)
4. How many appeals would that take? (TY for you're reply)
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jun 2022

Would this affect the Vice Presidents certification? I mean like in 2024 election, if enough states tried this BULLSHIT?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
5. You'd have a sort of repeat of the Gore vs Bush court case, with the Supreme Court deciding...
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 06:24 PM
Jun 2022

what the state must do. The Vice President just counts the certified votes and in 2024 the Vice President is going to be a Democrat. The court would have to decide the issue before it is time for the counting.

getagrip_already

(13,588 posts)
8. according to kagro in the morning on kos.....
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 06:36 PM
Jun 2022

scotus is lining up a case to take on next session which will allow them to make a ruling that the judiciary - either federal or state - has no role in federal elections at the state level.

Elections (both federal and state) would solely be decided by state legislatures when an issue comes up.

Apparently some wanted to use the shadow docket this session to issue an emergency order, but it was kav who insisted it be done in regular session if there was no immediate crisis.

They have 5 votes for the position according to kagro; just not in the shadow docket.

Would this rise to an immediate crisis? If the county refuses the court order and appeals it, would that fast track it?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
10. The issue is the Constitution specifically gives the power to legislatures...
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 07:03 PM
Jun 2022
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations.


Some Supreme Court justices wanted to throw Bosh v Gore back to the Florida legislature.

I would think any appeal would be fast tracked due to the time issue.

getagrip_already

(13,588 posts)
14. It's still considered a fringe theory.......
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 08:18 AM
Jun 2022
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/03/18/contentious-fringe-legal-theory-could-reshape-state-election-laws

It's not just what is written in the constitution, a lot of these actions violate state law, which requires courts to get involved to resolve.

This ruling would give republican states a virtual lock on the electoral college, as well as federal election results.

What if they pass a law that says all candidates for statewide or federal office must be approved by the legislature? How many good candidates of ours would even appear on ballots?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
15. Qualification for candidacy isn't in "times, places and manner". The Supreme Court has...
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 03:31 PM
Jun 2022

in the past struck down state laws imposing additional qualifications for federal office candidacy (similar to the "must provide tax returns" that some Democrats want to include).

yellowdogintexas

(21,918 posts)
6. I do not know about any other Texas county but I can not imagine
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 06:28 PM
Jun 2022

our County Elections Officer refusing to certify.

The strange part about this NM thing is that these were primary votes. REfusing to certify meant that local candidates for county wide office would not be on the ballot, for either party. State wide and Federal elections would still be on the Nov ballot no matter what Otero county did. What was their objective?

bluestarone

(16,341 posts)
7. Agree with you here! Strange, for sure
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 06:32 PM
Jun 2022

Plus with my mind being more and more thinking this could be a dry run to F-up the 2024 election. They are going full speed ahead with everything they have to win.

Mr.Bill

(23,805 posts)
11. Their objective is to make voters think
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 07:15 PM
Jun 2022

elections can't be trusted. So why have them at all would be the next step. There are already many people who think it doesn't matter who gets elected.

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