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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe SCOTUS ruling on concealed carry is not unexpected
It doesnt mean states must issue concealed carry licenses to anyone for any reason.
SCOTUS ruled that states are free to condition licenses based on objective requirements, whereas some states were previously using subjective requirements. The ruling holds that if an applicant meets all the objective requirements that have been set by the state, the state cannot deny them their license.
Nothing is stopping New York, California, and the half a dozen other states that are impacted by this ruling from making a long list of objective requirements in order to obtain a permit to carry.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)That ideology will be in the new laws they pass.
Which effectively will be telling SCOTUS to go fuck itself.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,103 posts)Both the gun ruling and the Miranda ruling suck, but are not as apocalyptic as being made out to be.
Historic NY
(37,456 posts)I was watching the should about smuggling in airports and was surprised that the Columbian police gave almost word for word the same warning given here. So perhaps it's one ruling that had greater implications or codifications.
British always use 'caution'
[link:https://sgp.fas.org/eprint/miranda.pdf|]
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,103 posts)And it was on a case that the defendant was found innocent before he sued.
Perhaps it is incremental and further erosions are coming, it certainly could be given this court, but the ruling wasn't for someone found guilty on information obtained without providing Miranda.
Historic NY
(37,456 posts)onecaliberal
(32,934 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Someone had to prove they had a special need to have a license, which was not defined by the legislature, and was at the discretion of the officer in charge of reviewing and approving / denying the application.
If New York decides that concealed carry holders must take gun safety annual classes, for example, that would be an objective requirement.
onecaliberal
(32,934 posts)Church- cant ban guns at church, there are church shootings.
Schools- cant ban guns at schools, there are school shootings
Stores- can ban guns at stores, there are shootings in stores.
Im sure you see the theme. They want guns everywhere.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Part of the ruling confirmed that states CAN restrict people from carrying guns in sensitive areas, such as schools, government buildings, etc.
The ruling confirmed this is appropriate and is settled case law.
onecaliberal
(32,934 posts)In court.
David__77
(23,559 posts)I support requiring criteria be publicly known, intuitive, and specific.
Voltaire2
(13,223 posts)onecaliberal
(32,934 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,387 posts)A case of be careful what you wish for in the making.
Scrivener7
(51,058 posts)sarisataka
(18,826 posts)Don't let facts get in the way of a perfectly good rant or two.
Could you imagine, to use the extremely imperfect analogy, the reaction if a person took driving classes, passes the tests, filled out all of the forms for a driver's license then is told "You live in a city with public transportation. We won't give you a license unless you can prove you have a special need to drive your car "
Scrivener7
(51,058 posts)sarisataka
(18,826 posts)Regardless which end it is viewed from. Do you recall however the lady who killed two people in separate incidents with her car in less than a month. I believe if convicted she faces 6 years; which would the potential sentence be if she shot to death two random people in a month?
As others have indicated, NY and other states can set stringent objective requirements to get a license. Training, insurance, background checks... as long as they are not impossible to achieve they would be allowed.
brush
(53,925 posts)requirements either.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)As long as it is being carried by someone who is not a prohibited possessor.
brush
(53,925 posts)Native
(5,943 posts)Sympthsical
(9,140 posts)And this was their "Nice try!" response.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)This ruling really seems to open the door wide for any number of requirements as long as they are objective and not subjective.
I expect to see a laundry list of requirements that licensees must do, and that the requirements will be so burdensome that few people will actually have the time or money to satisfy them.
This will likely be back in front of SCOTUS in a few years.