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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI would just like to say a giant fuck you to everyone who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton.
Also to Susan Sarandon and Susan Collins.
Link to tweet
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dalton99a
(81,570 posts)2naSalit
(86,775 posts)They are just a ghost operation the Rs use to pretend there's another party.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Well thankful for my Granddaughters living in Canada.
2016 was an expensive election.
The Supreme Court what price do you put on that.
Aristus
(66,452 posts)Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform!
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...with many red state Dem 'moderates' giving Trump the benefit of the doubt and actually voting for him over Hillary.
The states with large progressive majorities have never threatened Democratic presidential victories.
Nixie
(16,975 posts)copied attacks on her. Trump copied the attacks on her.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)In each of those surprise losses, votes for Jill Stein outnumbered the margin of Trump's victory.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...faux progressives.
"During elections, most public opinion surveys try to identify likely voters and use them to predict the winner. Working with our students at Cornell University, we took a different approach by focusing on respondents who said they did not intend to vote for Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Trump. In our survey, this was a sizable group more than 20 percent of the public and our analysis indicated that they leaned toward Mr. Trump. Whether undecided or unwilling to openly express their support, this group was hidden to pollsters focusing on likely voters."
We had found hidden Trump supporters, but we did not expect them to swing the election. After all, these respondents were unwilling to directly express their support for Mr. Trump and were the most likely to indicate that if both candidates had flaws, it was better not to vote. But vote they did. This seems the most plausible explanation for why the near unanimous predictions of a Clinton victory proved wrong.
Many Democrats are stunned that despite his campaigns divisiveness, false statements and disregard for civil discourse, Mr. Trump will be in the White House. In the coming days and weeks, there will continue to be much discussion regarding how the forecasts got public sentiment so wrong. While it is tempting to assume that voters with extreme views made the difference, such voters have been vocally supporting Mr. Trump all along. Rather than holding extreme views, hidden Trump supporters consistently fell between committed Trump and Clinton voters on the ideological spectrum, our data suggests.
The tide turned on election night because Americans with middle-of-the-road positions who leaned toward Trump turned out to vote in larger numbers than we or perhaps the Clinton campaign anticipated...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/opinion/did-moderates-help-elect-trump.html
Nixie
(16,975 posts)to call them copied the attacks on Hillary that the left used TPP TPP TPP and what about that Bill Clinton. Speeches. Omg, speeches. Hillary shaking hands with so-and-so.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)In fact, even here on DU, plenty of self-identified progressives stated that they thought Trump was less conservative than Clinton. This utterly mistaken idea was promoted by the Stein campaign. It was used as justification to vote against Clinton.
Sympthsical
(9,106 posts)A lot more. Particularly in those rust belt states.
https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/just-how-many-obama-2012-trump-2016-voters-were-there/
Look at that deep red across the Rust Belt. Stein and her voters didn't manage that one.
At some point, the reality that it wasn't progressives who did this is going to have to be grappled with. It's a lazy, manufactured shorthand (and coincidentally, fun for people whose hobbies entry on Tinder only has "bash the Left" scribbled in).
Myth-making and the perpetuation of them shouldn't be what we're about in a reality-based community.
Vogon_Glory
(9,128 posts)trying some woman for having an abortion if I get the slightest hint shes a MAGA activist. Im not sure I have any to give: she made her bed and they should be forced to sleep in it.
I remember one pro-choice clinic operator saying that a lot of anti-abortion activists oppose abortion except in the cases of rape, incest, womens health, and their own personal circumstances.
PortTack
(32,792 posts)Mad_Machine76
(24,437 posts)has turned out to be a "Susan" Or two in this case.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,006 posts)This is basically how Im feeling this morning
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)We will be paying for that for a very long time, it seems.