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I would just like to say a giant fuck you to everyone who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton. (Original Post) kpete Jun 2022 OP
Yup hlthe2b Jun 2022 #1
And the periodical cicadas known as the Greens dalton99a Jun 2022 #2
In my state... 2naSalit Jun 2022 #11
Or didn't vote at all. Texaswitchy Jun 2022 #3
Adding mine before the post is removed. Aristus Jun 2022 #4
we know that election was lost in red swing states bigtree Jun 2022 #5
What we know is that Hillary was attacked from all sides, and Trump Nixie Jun 2022 #6
+1 betsuni Jun 2022 #13
+1 brer cat Jun 2022 #15
The 2016 election was lost in the upper Midwest, long-time Democratic strongholds. yardwork Jun 2022 #10
Stein voters were conservative bigtree Jun 2022 #16
Hillary was attacked from all sides, and the faux whatever you want Nixie Jun 2022 #17
Nothing at your link supports the contention that "Stein voters were conservative." yardwork Jun 2022 #19
Obama voters going to Trump were more Sympthsical Jun 2022 #21
Don't expect any mercy if I'm on a jury Vogon_Glory Jun 2022 #7
SAME! Literally dozens of times right here on DU I begged ppl...with two words REMEMBER SCOTUS PortTack Jun 2022 #8
The ultimate "Karen" Mad_Machine76 Jun 2022 #9
+1,000,000. (nt) Paladin Jun 2022 #12
Agree. ismnotwasm Jun 2022 #14
Can't Argue With That, and Won't. MineralMan Jun 2022 #18
This. Day-um! electric_blue68 Jun 2022 #20

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
3. Or didn't vote at all.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:17 AM
Jun 2022

Well thankful for my Granddaughters living in Canada.

2016 was an expensive election.

The Supreme Court what price do you put on that.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
5. we know that election was lost in red swing states
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:20 AM
Jun 2022

...with many red state Dem 'moderates' giving Trump the benefit of the doubt and actually voting for him over Hillary.

The states with large progressive majorities have never threatened Democratic presidential victories.

Nixie

(16,975 posts)
6. What we know is that Hillary was attacked from all sides, and Trump
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:29 AM
Jun 2022

copied attacks on her. Trump copied the attacks on her.

yardwork

(61,703 posts)
10. The 2016 election was lost in the upper Midwest, long-time Democratic strongholds.
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:38 AM
Jun 2022

In each of those surprise losses, votes for Jill Stein outnumbered the margin of Trump's victory.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
16. Stein voters were conservative
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jun 2022

...faux progressives.

"During elections, most public opinion surveys try to identify likely voters and use them to predict the winner. Working with our students at Cornell University, we took a different approach by focusing on respondents who said they did not intend to vote for Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Trump. In our survey, this was a sizable group — more than 20 percent of the public — and our analysis indicated that they leaned toward Mr. Trump. Whether undecided or unwilling to openly express their support, this group was hidden to pollsters focusing on likely voters."

We had found hidden Trump supporters, but we did not expect them to swing the election. After all, these respondents were unwilling to directly express their support for Mr. Trump and were the most likely to indicate that if both candidates had flaws, it was better not to vote. But vote they did. This seems the most plausible explanation for why the near unanimous predictions of a Clinton victory proved wrong.

Many Democrats are stunned that despite his campaign’s divisiveness, false statements and disregard for civil discourse, Mr. Trump will be in the White House. In the coming days and weeks, there will continue to be much discussion regarding how the forecasts got public sentiment so wrong. While it is tempting to assume that voters with extreme views made the difference, such voters have been vocally supporting Mr. Trump all along. Rather than holding extreme views, hidden Trump supporters consistently fell between committed Trump and Clinton voters on the ideological spectrum, our data suggests.

The tide turned on election night because Americans with middle-of-the-road positions who leaned toward Trump turned out to vote in larger numbers than we — or perhaps the Clinton campaign — anticipated...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/opinion/did-moderates-help-elect-trump.html

Nixie

(16,975 posts)
17. Hillary was attacked from all sides, and the faux whatever you want
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 12:55 PM
Jun 2022

to call them copied the attacks on Hillary that the “left” used…TPP TPP TPP and what about that Bill Clinton. Speeches. Omg, speeches. Hillary shaking hands with so-and-so.

yardwork

(61,703 posts)
19. Nothing at your link supports the contention that "Stein voters were conservative."
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:43 PM
Jun 2022

In fact, even here on DU, plenty of self-identified progressives stated that they thought Trump was less conservative than Clinton. This utterly mistaken idea was promoted by the Stein campaign. It was used as justification to vote against Clinton.

Sympthsical

(9,106 posts)
21. Obama voters going to Trump were more
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 02:51 PM
Jun 2022

A lot more. Particularly in those rust belt states.

https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/just-how-many-obama-2012-trump-2016-voters-were-there/

Look at that deep red across the Rust Belt. Stein and her voters didn't manage that one.

At some point, the reality that it wasn't progressives who did this is going to have to be grappled with. It's a lazy, manufactured shorthand (and coincidentally, fun for people whose hobbies entry on Tinder only has "bash the Left" scribbled in).

Myth-making and the perpetuation of them shouldn't be what we're about in a reality-based community.

Vogon_Glory

(9,128 posts)
7. Don't expect any mercy if I'm on a jury
Fri Jun 24, 2022, 11:29 AM
Jun 2022

trying some woman for having an abortion if I get the slightest hint she’s a MAGA activist. I’m not sure I have any to give: she made her bed and they should be forced to sleep in it.

I remember one pro-choice clinic operator saying that a lot of anti-abortion activists oppose abortion except in the cases of rape, incest, women’s health, and their own personal circumstances.

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