Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:16 AM
Raven123 (4,268 posts)
If I were Pelosi, I would devote much of the remaining legislative session to
Introducing legislative bills that address the consequences of the ruling on Roe, many of which are being discussed here.
Protect or expand access to contraception, health care, family leave, IVF, etc… Force the GOP to vote and show the American people what they really face.
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Raven123 | Jun 2022 | OP |
lapfog_1 | Jun 2022 | #1 | |
Raven123 | Jun 2022 | #6 | |
Cosmocat | Jun 2022 | #8 | |
usaf-vet | Jun 2022 | #14 | |
Demsrule86 | Jun 2022 | #2 | |
betsuni | Jun 2022 | #3 | |
Demsrule86 | Jun 2022 | #23 | |
spooky3 | Jun 2022 | #4 | |
Demsrule86 | Jun 2022 | #21 | |
Raven123 | Jun 2022 | #5 | |
Demsrule86 | Jun 2022 | #20 | |
bdamomma | Jun 2022 | #13 | |
Demsrule86 | Jun 2022 | #19 | |
spooky3 | Jun 2022 | #22 | |
Demsrule86 | Jun 2022 | #24 | |
spooky3 | Jun 2022 | #25 | |
bdamomma | Jun 2022 | #27 | |
2naSalit | Jun 2022 | #16 | |
Demsrule86 | Jun 2022 | #18 | |
2naSalit | Jun 2022 | #26 | |
judesedit | Jun 2022 | #7 | |
ancianita | Jun 2022 | #12 | |
judesedit | Jun 2022 | #28 | |
ancianita | Jun 2022 | #29 | |
judesedit | Jun 2022 | #30 | |
ancianita | Jun 2022 | #31 | |
Traildogbob | Jun 2022 | #9 | |
Lonestarblue | Jun 2022 | #10 | |
Snackshack | Jun 2022 | #11 | |
2naSalit | Jun 2022 | #17 | |
KS Toronado | Jun 2022 | #15 |
Response to Raven123 (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:27 AM
lapfog_1 (28,213 posts)
1. Pelosi can do this...
but without a constitutional amendment the SCOTUS could rule that any law that is passed by congress addressing anything about privacy which is not enumerated in the constitution does not apply.
This includes gay marriage, contraception, etc. My guess is that many of the red states will now adopt a "life begins at conception... when the sperm meets the egg" - which automatically rules out many forms of contraception without there being ANY further ruling by SCOTUS. In addition, I suspect that pregnancy testing will be restricted to "administered by a physician and results to be shared with the state". Again, they basically struck down any implied privacy so this will be legal without any further rulings by SCOTUS. A federal law creating such privacy (if it could ever be passed) could be null and void. We have really entered a very dark chapter in our nation's history. |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #1)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:50 AM
Raven123 (4,268 posts)
6. I just don't think many Americans really appreciate what we here know to be true
Trying to cut through the many distractions put out by the GOP to keep these issues front and center.
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Response to Raven123 (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:58 AM
Cosmocat (14,489 posts)
8. YEP
Its stone cold obvious to us.
But some how the greater majority of the country is oblivious |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #1)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:21 AM
usaf-vet (5,558 posts)
14. How does ANYONE know this moment? When "life begins at conception... when the sperm meets the egg".
Maybe yes maybe no! Hence the "night after pill".
How could any court prove that it caused an abortion without knowing if the sperm EVER meets the egg? |
Response to Raven123 (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 07:31 AM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
2. Why? They won't pass the Senate. Pelosi can't save us. We Need to save ourselves by voting
In the midterms and 24 thus electing more Democrats.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #3)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:09 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
23. Thank you Betsuni...also, we see the results of not teaching civics lately even here.
Some throw out all sorts of ideas that are simply not possible in a constitutional Republic. And also this constant need to say something immediately...well I am all for conversation but talk is cheap...we need to take action...do things that can actually help.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 08:48 AM
Raven123 (4,268 posts)
5. I agree with your point. It seems people (not DUers) fail to appreciate this fact
Just trying to hammer it home and hoping to break through voter apathy
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Response to Raven123 (Reply #5)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:06 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
20. It is and has been our only option for sometime now...we get a 50-50 Senate and thank God
for that but can't get big stuff done...well how is that surprising. We need warm bodies in Congress...a bigger majority. Sure with a big ten, we won't get it all but we will get some and stop the GOP cold.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:21 AM
bdamomma (62,429 posts)
13. Of course
we are the only ones to save ourselves.
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Response to bdamomma (Reply #13)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:04 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
19. I sometimes feel some Democrats are looking for a savior...they want to love their candidate who
will make all their dreams, wishes, and wants come true. It doesn't happen that way...hard work and patience as we slowly move forward. But we have to stop expecting a savior and then when when they don't get one turn on them...as happened with Pres. Obama and President Clinton before him. And as for the burn it down crowd...Greens ET AL...fuck them. We have to win without these folks who are not our side.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #19)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:09 PM
spooky3 (32,895 posts)
22. Anonymous (hackers) have posted a lot of tweets--people
are begging them to “do something” and they reply that VOTERS need to do something this fall; that Anonymous warned everyone this would happen.
Nonvoters—this is in your hands. Please vote BLUE this fall. |
Response to spooky3 (Reply #22)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:14 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
24. That is the best advice ever...a surge in voting would fix many things...it would
open up real possibilities to deal with this mess. We don't have much to work with now. And I tire of those blaming Democrats. It is a Republican-created mess...and I got to say those who didn't vote for Gore (going back) and Clinton in 16 helped create this mess. Even now I see this 'earn my vote bullshit' and it needs to stop.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #24)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:15 PM
spooky3 (32,895 posts)
25. Could not agree more. Nt
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #19)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:59 PM
bdamomma (62,429 posts)
27. We need to all
realize that those in power are coming after us, our rights are being taken away we saw that yesterday. No one is safe.
We need to VOTE in November, cause that will determine what is going to happen in 2024. If we get to vote at all. Scary consequences if we do not get ourselves to the polls. |
Response to 2naSalit (Reply #16)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:59 AM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
18. Thank you.
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #18)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 12:16 PM
2naSalit (79,140 posts)
26. Hey!
We're both coming up on 60,000 posts!
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Response to Raven123 (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 09:41 AM
judesedit (4,351 posts)
7. Make sperm donors equally responsible.All these hypocrite's girlfriends that had abortions for them
should start speaking out about it and naming names, whoever they are.
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Response to judesedit (Reply #7)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:18 AM
ancianita (33,666 posts)
12. I've been wondering exactly what form that responsibility would take. Would states make laws re that
I doubt it. So what would men be responsible for once they've been named the impregnator?
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Response to ancianita (Reply #12)
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 08:01 AM
judesedit (4,351 posts)
28. If life begins at conception,at least 50% of the cost of the pregnancy, the delivery, the upbringing
any medical and dental bills, education, wedding, and if the child dies before her/his time, the funeral and burial costs, as that is a real threat in this country due to gun violence.
And that is just the financial. If anything happens to the mother, the father shall have full responsibility. |
Response to judesedit (Reply #28)
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:53 AM
ancianita (33,666 posts)
29. Nice theory. The reality is: No laws have ever been passed to enact that. And they never will.
Response to ancianita (Reply #29)
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:02 PM
judesedit (4,351 posts)
30. Never say never
Response to judesedit (Reply #30)
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:31 PM
ancianita (33,666 posts)
31. Even if one or a few pass, they will never be enough and not be enforced.
For all intents and purposes, I say never.
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Response to Raven123 (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:05 AM
Traildogbob (7,532 posts)
9. If young boys could
Get pregnant, the Catholic Church would be for abortion and insurers to cover it.
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Response to Raven123 (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:07 AM
Lonestarblue (8,499 posts)
10. Pelosi did her part already. The House passed the Women's Health Protection Act in Sept. 2021.
The Senate is the problem, specifically Manchin and Sinema, who need to be brought around on ditching the filibuster if only for this one exception. The likelihood of that happening is slim, but Schumer brought the bill up for voting in early May of this year, and Manchin was the only Democrat to vote against it. Now that the Holy Roman Supreme Court has overturned Roe and is poised to overturn the right to birth control during its next session, Schumer needs to hold another vote. No Republican voted for it the first time, of course, and I doubt any would now. But it puts all those up for re-election this fall on the record as supporting the loss of rights for women or willing to stand up for those rights.
We all know that the only solution is to elect more Democratic Senators and hold on to the House majority this Fall. A tall order given likely Republican cheating, but perhaps this issue will motivate millions more to vote instead of excusing their lack of interest as just politics that doesn’t affect them. |
Response to Raven123 (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:17 AM
Snackshack (2,446 posts)
11. The real question is.
Are the Dems ready to take the steps needed to answer the GOP. The GOP took every low road they could find to steal the SCOTUS seats they needed to accomplish this decision.
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Response to Snackshack (Reply #11)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 11:07 AM
2naSalit (79,140 posts)
17. One would think...
All the pissed off potential voters would be ready to march right over them. I see marching but not enough voting.
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Response to Raven123 (Original post)
Sat Jun 25, 2022, 10:44 AM
KS Toronado (13,696 posts)
15. Nancy & Chuck should spend more time going after big oil
Not all Rs are upset about Roe vs Wade but everybody is unhappy about gas prices. Making abortion legal
again will take some time and will require another court case to go before the SCOTUS. Or maybe some new law after the midterms if we have solid control of both houses. If Congress could find a way to lower the price at the pump, that alone should guarantee us a Big Blue Wave. We already have Jan 6th Committee in our camp and now the abortion issue will bring out voters, we can't afford gas pump prices to hurt us in the midterms. IMHO |