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fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:22 AM Jun 2022

Who knew that the right had these secret laws already in place on the exact day roevwade overturned?

Why didn't we have some laws in place ready to go as well????

I feel totally unprepared. They are already miles ahead it seems. I mean good lord it's already banned in some places!

Seems like we should have had Federal laws in place years ago ready for this day.

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Who knew that the right had these secret laws already in place on the exact day roevwade overturned? (Original Post) fescuerescue Jun 2022 OP
It was certainly well-known and publicized in Michigan. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2022 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #10
Guess we should have passed some trigger laws outselvrsz fescuerescue Jun 2022 #21
We did. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #28
We knew it was coming when boof and coneydog were put in . But it was not a priority. Autumn Jun 2022 #2
Pretty much everyone, I thought. The "trigger laws" have been discussed a lot in recent days MerryHolidays Jun 2022 #3
This, I remember them being mentioned in pretty much every Roe discussion over the years Amishman Jun 2022 #31
They weren't secret laws; they were pretty well known. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #4
It really doesn't go into affect until 30 days after the released decision jimfields33 Jun 2022 #5
Federal laws are much tougher to pass comparing to states laws, especially when you are talking Claustrum Jun 2022 #6
Trigger laws have been discussed for decades. Solly Mack Jun 2022 #7
Everyone? ruet Jun 2022 #8
We passed them but there was not as much fanfare. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #29
SOP. -NT- ruet Jun 2022 #41
These trigger laws were in the news for months. Novara Jun 2022 #9
If there had been any federal law providing nation wide access to abortion lapfog_1 Jun 2022 #11
We did here in Illinois thanks to a democratic supermajority and dem Governor mucifer Jun 2022 #12
IL is lucky. They have a good governor. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #30
Everybody knew; it's been well-publicized for a long time. Ocelot II Jun 2022 #13
The universe wasn't created six thousand years ago FBaggins Jun 2022 #34
And Blue states had sanctuary laws waiting for the moment, too. haele Jun 2022 #14
Who knew? Anyone who was paying attention Effete Snob Jun 2022 #15
Not secret, bragged about and cheered in their states, discussed in media. Hortensis Jun 2022 #16
That seems like a mistake in hindsight. fescuerescue Jun 2022 #25
Well, it held for 50 years and its loss grieved now. Hortensis Jun 2022 #26
Didn't you know? It's been well-publicized. yardwork Jun 2022 #17
Pretty much everyone here knew about those "trigger" laws. MineralMan Jun 2022 #18
How in the world did you miss knowing about them? PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2022 #19
I'm wondering how law makers missed doing the same. fescuerescue Jun 2022 #24
How would that have gotten passed with the filibuster in place onenote Jun 2022 #38
Well if there was no good time to do in the last 50 years fescuerescue Jun 2022 #39
Voting for Hillary in 2016 would have been nicer... W_HAMILTON Jun 2022 #50
Yup. or Gore, Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter, fescuerescue Jun 2022 #51
Trigger laws? IMO that phrase means little now that... brush Jun 2022 #20
Trigger laws are laws based on the existence of other laws fescuerescue Jun 2022 #23
Sounds maybe we should have passed a few trigger laws out selves. fescuerescue Jun 2022 #22
Joe Biden campaigned on it Shrek Jun 2022 #35
Several states passed laws guaranteeing women's healthcare prior to the decision so we gldstwmn Jun 2022 #27
Anyone who has been following the news Retrograde Jun 2022 #32
I did. Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #33
These have been regularly reported on. Not secret. betsuni Jun 2022 #36
Any super majority of Dems in the last 50 years fescuerescue Jun 2022 #37
I doubt there was a supermajority that would have supported such legislation in the past 50 years onenote Jun 2022 #40
When? During Clinton/Obama administrations Republicans controlled the House for six out betsuni Jun 2022 #42
The most recent one was 2009 fescuerescue Jun 2022 #43
They had 60 votes for four months and ten days, September 24, 2009 to February 4, 2010. betsuni Jun 2022 #44
I didn't realize it was that long. fescuerescue Jun 2022 #45
24 working days. betsuni Jun 2022 #46
And when you get down to the nitty gritty Mad_Machine76 Jun 2022 #52
I know right inthewind21 Jun 2022 #47
Secret? Zeitghost Jun 2022 #48
People that live in red states and know there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans. W_HAMILTON Jun 2022 #49

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,238 posts)
1. It was certainly well-known and publicized in Michigan.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:24 AM
Jun 2022

We have seen this tsunami coming for months. Much thanks to Gov Whitmer.

Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #1)

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
3. Pretty much everyone, I thought. The "trigger laws" have been discussed a lot in recent days
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:24 AM
Jun 2022

especially after the leak of the Dobbs draft decision.

Amishman

(5,527 posts)
31. This, I remember them being mentioned in pretty much every Roe discussion over the years
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:52 PM
Jun 2022

I'm surprised how many people are surprised

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
6. Federal laws are much tougher to pass comparing to states laws, especially when you are talking
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:26 AM
Jun 2022

about deep red/blue states. When you get a majority in state, you can pass any law in that state. In the past 10-20 years, republican took the "I will not work with democrats in any circumstances" stance and getting a bi-partisan bill passed in congress is near impossible.

Novara

(5,636 posts)
9. These trigger laws were in the news for months.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:26 AM
Jun 2022

If you didn't know about them it's because you weren't paying attention. They've been in the news since the draft opinion leaked, even earlier, because the writing was on the wall when the SCOTUS took this case.

lapfog_1

(29,057 posts)
11. If there had been any federal law providing nation wide access to abortion
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:30 AM
Jun 2022

or even birth control... the SCOTUS would have simply added to the decision that such laws are unconstitutional.

SCOTUS decided that un-enumerated right to privacy does not exist (at least in the case for abortion, Thomas suggests it doesn't exist for things like contraception and same sex marriage, although he didn't mention "Loving v. Virginia&quot

Do not pin your hopes that Roe can be restored via federal legislation (even should somehow we get such a law passed in the Senate).

mucifer

(23,258 posts)
12. We did here in Illinois thanks to a democratic supermajority and dem Governor
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:31 AM
Jun 2022
Pritzker signed into law in 2019 the Reproductive Health Act, which expands abortion rights across the state.

More specifically, the legislation rescinds prohibitions on some late-term abortions and 45-year-old criminal restraints such as criminal penalties for doctors performing abortions -- all measures whose enforcement had been prohibited by court orders. Sponsors of the Reproductive Health Act warned at the time that its protections would be necessary should the landmark Roe v. Wade decision be overturned.

Pritzker also repealed the Parental Notification Act in 2021, allowing pregnant minors to choose whether or not a legal guardian or family member is involved in their decision. Supports of the move said the repeal "protected the most vulnerable youth - such as victims of rape, incest, and domestic abuse – from being compelled to notify their abusers."

Following the latest news of the SCOTUS decision, Pritzker tweeted, "we will fight back."He also called for a special session for reproductive health rights.


https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/is-abortion-legal-in-illinois-here-are-the-abortion-laws-in-place/2865130/

Politicians in a lot of blue states have been preparing for this.

FBaggins

(26,591 posts)
34. The universe wasn't created six thousand years ago
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 05:50 AM
Jun 2022

It happened sometime in the late 1960s.

I don’t remember anything before that

haele

(12,553 posts)
14. And Blue states had sanctuary laws waiting for the moment, too.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:43 AM
Jun 2022

As was pointed out before, anything the Feds could have setup up was dependent on the Senate and nuking the filibuster.
There are too many senators who don't really care or with captured constituents that have and will kill any abortion rights protection on the Federal Level -and have been since Newt "Hypocrisy is my Middle Name" Gingrich and the "Moral Minority" took over the GOP and started their Power at any cost campaign.
2016 was the final stand for Roe. The GOP were just waiting either for Trump's second term cementing the fall of Democracy or to be able to blame the Democrats for it's undoing.

Haele

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
15. Who knew? Anyone who was paying attention
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:43 AM
Jun 2022

There was nothing secret about it.

Just because you had not heard of something doesn’t mean it was “secret”. This was extremely well known for a long time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Not secret, bragged about and cheered in their states, discussed in media.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:48 AM
Jun 2022

Fescuerescue, we had Roe in place as a federal law. That just changed, but 16 states have laws in place specifically protecting the right to abortion. (Probably 23 others have or will soon make it illegal.) Leaving 11 states.

But, you probably mean federal laws. So why not go learn about the federal laws Biden's talking about when he says he has means to mitigate the effects of repealing Roe? AND the federal laws the DoJ promises to use to fight for the rights of women and in support of its statement that the abortion pill is legal. In the process,
you'll undoubtedly learn about more federal laws in place and ready to use.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
25. That seems like a mistake in hindsight.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:47 PM
Jun 2022

“ Fescuerescue, we had Roe in place as a federal law”

We need to get congress to start thinking about a federal law

I’m glad Biden is talking about it now.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Well, it held for 50 years and its loss grieved now.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:03 PM
Jun 2022

Why not read about what many people are doing many places? You'll feel better about the professionals who've always been committed to protecting and advancing our rights. They've been on it, and are.

I don't know how you'll feel about the electorate if you look that direction; in a real sense, as a whole we got what we deserved and effectively asked for, including many millions who see themselves as civil rights supporters but neglected to walk the walk (i.e., vote every couple years, taking a little care not to take themselves out in the process).

Itm, abortion's still legal in many states.

MineralMan

(146,060 posts)
18. Pretty much everyone here knew about those "trigger" laws.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 09:51 AM
Jun 2022

It has been a topic of discussion for some time.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
24. I'm wondering how law makers missed doing the same.
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:46 PM
Jun 2022

For instance - a federal law allow abortion in the event that roe v wade is ever struck down.

That would be really nice right now.

onenote

(42,060 posts)
38. How would that have gotten passed with the filibuster in place
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 09:29 AM
Jun 2022

and no urgency to override the filibuster as long as Roe was in place?

brush

(52,931 posts)
20. Trigger laws? IMO that phrase means little now that...
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:40 AM
Jun 2022

Last edited Sun Jun 26, 2022, 06:17 PM - Edit history (1)

the American Taliban 6 have handed down their ruling.

SCOTUS decisions are the law of the land and Dobbs v Jackson is all the trigger the Taliban followers were waiting for.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
23. Trigger laws are laws based on the existence of other laws
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 12:45 PM
Jun 2022

And take effect if those other laws changed.

Seems the right had them. But just the right.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
27. Several states passed laws guaranteeing women's healthcare prior to the decision so we
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 01:18 PM
Jun 2022

did have laws ready to go. The states that did that in advance of the ruling are CO, NJ, OR and VT. These states have no viability requirement attached to their laws. Other states who passed new/updated laws are CA, CT, IL, ME, MD (Dem General Assembly overrode Governors veto!), MA, NY, RI. It's not like our elected officials are not out here trying to get it done.

Retrograde

(10,017 posts)
32. Anyone who has been following the news
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 03:02 PM
Jun 2022

for the past 4 or 5 years. The anti-women brigade has been slowly taking over state legislatures for a couple of decades now, and either making sure old anti-abortion laws weren't repealed or enacting new ones.

Yes, we should have had Federal laws in place, but we got complacent after a more liberal-leaning court upheld LGBT+ rights, same-sex marriage, some labor protections, some environmental protections. We thought the population wouldn't stand for going backwards. And people who grew up in a world that was trending towards justice for all assumed it always would be that way, and a large number of them decided to sit out local elections.

betsuni

(24,848 posts)
36. These have been regularly reported on. Not secret.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 06:08 AM
Jun 2022

"Why did Democrats allow/let _____ ?" Federal laws with what supermajority in Congress? And no, the Obama administration couldn't do anything it wanted for two years, it had 60 votes in the senate for four months and ten days.

onenote

(42,060 posts)
40. I doubt there was a supermajority that would have supported such legislation in the past 50 years
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 09:37 AM
Jun 2022

The only period that there has been a "super majority" of at least 60 Democratic senators was after the 1972 and 1974 elections and after the 2008 elections. In each case, however, there almost certainly were Senators who would not have supported legislation relating to abortion, particularly right after Roe was released and there was no urgency for such a law.

betsuni

(24,848 posts)
42. When? During Clinton/Obama administrations Republicans controlled the House for six out
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:05 AM
Jun 2022

their eight year terms.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
43. The most recent one was 2009
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:07 AM
Jun 2022

But if it's not been possible anytime in the last 50 years.

The next 50 years sure do look grim don't they?

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
45. I didn't realize it was that long.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:43 AM
Jun 2022

Especially right that the beginning of a term

That’s usually the most productive period with the public support at its strongest.

Man - that was a great time wasn’t it?

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
47. I know right
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jun 2022

It's like those damn super delegates, it was a secret and sprung on everyone at the last minute!

Zeitghost

(3,674 posts)
48. Secret?
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 10:50 AM
Jun 2022

Anybody who didn't know wasn't paying attention.


I noticed after the decision leaked that far too many people were not aware of the precarious spot Roe has held for the last 50 years. We were lucky that 2 of the 4 Reagan appointments (O'Conner and Kennedy) were not further to the right or this would have happened sooner.

W_HAMILTON

(7,758 posts)
49. People that live in red states and know there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:59 AM
Jun 2022

And there someone goes again, blaming us for what the right and backstabbing """allies""" on the left delivered to our doorstep.

Newsflash: any state controlled by Democrats will not be outlawing abortion and therefore no laws were needed (even though some had already been passed and more will be in the future). Any state now controlled by Republicans would have since overturned any such law that was previously passed and will now outlaw abortion as quickly as they can.

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