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Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:57 AM

This needs to be the scene now at every high school football game.



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or this


(thanks to BlueGreenLady)

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Reply This needs to be the scene now at every high school football game. (Original post)
momta Jun 2022 OP
BlueGreenLady Jun 2022 #1
momta Jun 2022 #2
Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #3
momta Jun 2022 #4
maxsolomon Jun 2022 #5
Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #6
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #8
maxsolomon Jun 2022 #11
Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #19
maxsolomon Jun 2022 #24
Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #25
Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #7
rubbersole Jun 2022 #9
Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #12
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #10
Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #13
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #16
Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #21
electric_blue68 Jun 2022 #27
MineralMan Jun 2022 #14
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #18
MineralMan Jun 2022 #20
BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #22
MineralMan Jun 2022 #23
roamer65 Jun 2022 #15
Sogo Jun 2022 #17
uponit7771 Jun 2022 #26

Response to momta (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 11:58 AM

1. Might want to throw in a few

Hari Krishna's into that mix as well.

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Response to BlueGreenLady (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:00 PM

2. Fine with me

I pray to the Great Spaghetti Monster, so I'll just be sittin' there eating my fusilli.

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Response to momta (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:06 PM

3. The Halftime show...

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:08 PM

4. Perfect!

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Response to momta (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:08 PM

5. It's only Christians that want to make a public display of their faith.

Because the Bible gives them a directive to proselytize.

It's coercive, and I'm not in the least surprised that bible-thumping Christians, even Christians on the Supreme Court, can't understand that.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:13 PM

6. Really?

There are three examples in this short thread of religions other than Christian making "public display of their faith". (Four, if you count the mention of Hare Krishnas.)

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:24 PM

8. Well spotted. nt

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:45 PM

11. in this context. there are no hare krishna football coaches.

but hey, you got me. i'm a hypocrite or something. congratulations.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:02 PM

19. No one is calling you a hypocrite.

It's just that your blanket statements are open to (and easy to) debate:

"...only Christians that want to make a public display..." -- Not true

"...no hare krishna football coaches" -- How do you know?

There are many religions that make public display...Wailing Wall, anyone? And when you speak of proselytizing, have you ever been visited at home by the Mormons and Seventh-Day Adventists?

I wasn't trying to "get you" - just making a correction. Challenging your statement is NOT denigrating you or calling you names.

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Response to Totally Tunsie (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:12 PM

24. OK. Thanks for the correction.

I'm going to stick by "there are no Hare Krishna football coaches" as a generalization based on probability and anecdotal observation.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:37 PM

25. Anything - even a hare krishna football coach - is a possibility

in today's mobile society. I've had bigger surprises! Keep an open mind; you might meet one someday!

Glad we're still DU friends...

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Response to momta (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:20 PM

7. Public displays of Christian piety. It's a performance.

None of this has anything to do with Christís ministry. Itís just a passive aggressive flex by people with a resentment toward modernity and secular authority. Who needs it?

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Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:24 PM

9. Obviously they need it.

Pretty fucking sad for the rest of us...

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Response to rubbersole (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:46 PM

12. You can say that again.

One can only bang a tambourine for so long though. At some point, it becomes very annoying.

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Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:26 PM

10. Have you ever visited a country where there are (quite loud) calls to prayer on a regular basis?

Because it's a pretty public display.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:53 PM

13. Yeah - and theirs is a different country, a different culture.

Iím really trying to overcome that giant sucking noise in the modern United States. Mainly faith-based, many points of light, we love everyone (unless we donít) white heteronormative supremacy. The same noise that says, my belief system has more legitimacy than your facts.

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Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:57 PM

16. Well, you seem to have moved the goal post there just a wee bit.

You first said only Christianity feels the need to advertise their piety.

Have you ever seen Hasidic Jews? How about Mennonites or Amish? Pretty public in their displays also.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:20 PM

21. Implicit agreement that we're talking about current events in the U.S.

You simply didnít comprehend that. Hope this clarification helps.

When the Amish seek to establish cultural dominance, Iíll give that similar consideration.

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Response to Duncan Grant (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 03:45 PM

27. Actually in a section of Brooklyn where I would shop not that far from my neighborhood there were...

calls to prayer by the Mosque.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:54 PM

14. Yes. I lived in Turkey for 15 months while in the USAF.

I was stationed at a small base overlooking the Black Sea. Just down a hill from my barracks room was a mosque, less than 100 yards from my window. So, I heard the calls to prayer quite clearly, five times a day. I quickly got used to them, and they served as a clock I didn't have to look at.

Islam, in Islamic countries, is a very public religion. Very public, indeed.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:59 PM

18. Yes, it sure is.

I've heard the calls also. A bit jarring at first, but I got used to it.

Most religions are fairly public in their displays, which is why I find some of the comments here sort of strange. Perhaps some are just unaware?

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:12 PM

20. Well, unlike many countries, we have a constitution that

includes language regarding the separation of church and state. Not very specific language, but language nevertheless.

The problem is that Christianity is clearly the dominant religion in this country. What that means is that there is a majority that adheres to that religion. That's a problem in a democratic system, since the majority can pass laws. The constitutional language is not specific enough, though, to ensure that displays of religion in government owned places and venues are not allowed. So, there's always a risk that a majority of some kind will push for such displays.

It took a very long time to get specifically religious prayers out of places like schools and government meetings. In fact, that was never 100% achieved. The words "under God" got inserted in our previously non-religious pledge of allegiance that way. That happened in the 1950s. Before then, it was not there. I learned it without the reference to a deity.

We eventually came to understand the first amendment to prohibit the government from having anything to do with religious worship, but the language remains unclear, so we have to fight that battle again and again. Now, we have a SCOTUS that seems ready to allow religious practices within government-sponsored events. We'll have to fight the battle again, it seems.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:25 PM

22. I absolutely agree with your points there.

I disagreed with the comments in this thread by posters who were apparently unaware of the public displays of faith by other religions, even in this country.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:27 PM

23. Yes, I know. And you were right to do so.

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Response to momta (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:55 PM

15. People should start booing.

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Response to momta (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:58 PM

17. The next time Kaepernick or anyone else takes a knee,

they should cross themselves as they're doing it....

That'll shut 'em up!

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Response to Sogo (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 27, 2022, 03:22 PM

26. +1,

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