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This needs to be the scene now at every high school football game. (Original Post) momta Jun 2022 OP
Might want to throw in a few BlueGreenLady Jun 2022 #1
Fine with me momta Jun 2022 #2
The Halftime show... Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #3
Perfect! momta Jun 2022 #4
It's only Christians that want to make a public display of their faith. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #5
Really? Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #6
Well spotted. nt BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #8
in this context. there are no hare krishna football coaches. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #11
No one is calling you a hypocrite. Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #19
OK. Thanks for the correction. maxsolomon Jun 2022 #24
Anything - even a hare krishna football coach - is a possibility Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #25
Public displays of Christian piety. It's a performance. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #7
Obviously they need it. rubbersole Jun 2022 #9
You can say that again. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #12
Have you ever visited a country where there are (quite loud) calls to prayer on a regular basis? BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #10
Yeah - and theirs is a different country, a different culture. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #13
Well, you seem to have moved the goal post there just a wee bit. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #16
Implicit agreement that we're talking about current events in the U.S. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #21
Actually in a section of Brooklyn where I would shop not that far from my neighborhood there were... electric_blue68 Jun 2022 #27
Yes. I lived in Turkey for 15 months while in the USAF. MineralMan Jun 2022 #14
Yes, it sure is. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #18
Well, unlike many countries, we have a constitution that MineralMan Jun 2022 #20
I absolutely agree with your points there. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #22
Yes, I know. And you were right to do so. MineralMan Jun 2022 #23
People should start booing. roamer65 Jun 2022 #15
The next time Kaepernick or anyone else takes a knee, Sogo Jun 2022 #17
+1, uponit7771 Jun 2022 #26

momta

(4,074 posts)
2. Fine with me
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:00 PM
Jun 2022

I pray to the Great Spaghetti Monster, so I'll just be sittin' there eating my fusilli.

maxsolomon

(32,705 posts)
5. It's only Christians that want to make a public display of their faith.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jun 2022

Because the Bible gives them a directive to proselytize.

It's coercive, and I'm not in the least surprised that bible-thumping Christians, even Christians on the Supreme Court, can't understand that.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
6. Really?
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:13 PM
Jun 2022

There are three examples in this short thread of religions other than Christian making "public display of their faith". (Four, if you count the mention of Hare Krishnas.)

maxsolomon

(32,705 posts)
11. in this context. there are no hare krishna football coaches.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:45 PM
Jun 2022

but hey, you got me. i'm a hypocrite or something. congratulations.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
19. No one is calling you a hypocrite.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:02 PM
Jun 2022

It's just that your blanket statements are open to (and easy to) debate:

"...only Christians that want to make a public display..." -- Not true

"...no hare krishna football coaches" -- How do you know?

There are many religions that make public display...Wailing Wall, anyone? And when you speak of proselytizing, have you ever been visited at home by the Mormons and Seventh-Day Adventists?

I wasn't trying to "get you" - just making a correction. Challenging your statement is NOT denigrating you or calling you names.

maxsolomon

(32,705 posts)
24. OK. Thanks for the correction.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:12 PM
Jun 2022

I'm going to stick by "there are no Hare Krishna football coaches" as a generalization based on probability and anecdotal observation.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
25. Anything - even a hare krishna football coach - is a possibility
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 02:37 PM
Jun 2022

in today's mobile society. I've had bigger surprises! Keep an open mind; you might meet one someday!

Glad we're still DU friends...

Duncan Grant

(8,234 posts)
7. Public displays of Christian piety. It's a performance.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:20 PM
Jun 2022

None of this has anything to do with Christ’s ministry. It’s just a passive aggressive flex by people with a resentment toward modernity and secular authority. Who needs it?

Duncan Grant

(8,234 posts)
12. You can say that again.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:46 PM
Jun 2022

One can only bang a tambourine for so long though. At some point, it becomes very annoying.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
10. Have you ever visited a country where there are (quite loud) calls to prayer on a regular basis?
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:26 PM
Jun 2022

Because it's a pretty public display.

Duncan Grant

(8,234 posts)
13. Yeah - and theirs is a different country, a different culture.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:53 PM
Jun 2022

I’m really trying to overcome that giant sucking noise in the modern United States. Mainly faith-based, many points of light, we love everyone (unless we don’t) white heteronormative supremacy. The same noise that says, my belief system has more legitimacy than your facts.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
16. Well, you seem to have moved the goal post there just a wee bit.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:57 PM
Jun 2022

You first said only Christianity feels the need to advertise their piety.

Have you ever seen Hasidic Jews? How about Mennonites or Amish? Pretty public in their displays also.

Duncan Grant

(8,234 posts)
21. Implicit agreement that we're talking about current events in the U.S.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:20 PM
Jun 2022

You simply didn’t comprehend that. Hope this clarification helps.

When the Amish seek to establish cultural dominance, I’ll give that similar consideration.

electric_blue68

(14,278 posts)
27. Actually in a section of Brooklyn where I would shop not that far from my neighborhood there were...
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 03:45 PM
Jun 2022

calls to prayer by the Mosque.

MineralMan

(146,021 posts)
14. Yes. I lived in Turkey for 15 months while in the USAF.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:54 PM
Jun 2022

I was stationed at a small base overlooking the Black Sea. Just down a hill from my barracks room was a mosque, less than 100 yards from my window. So, I heard the calls to prayer quite clearly, five times a day. I quickly got used to them, and they served as a clock I didn't have to look at.

Islam, in Islamic countries, is a very public religion. Very public, indeed.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
18. Yes, it sure is.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:59 PM
Jun 2022

I've heard the calls also. A bit jarring at first, but I got used to it.

Most religions are fairly public in their displays, which is why I find some of the comments here sort of strange. Perhaps some are just unaware?

MineralMan

(146,021 posts)
20. Well, unlike many countries, we have a constitution that
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:12 PM
Jun 2022

includes language regarding the separation of church and state. Not very specific language, but language nevertheless.

The problem is that Christianity is clearly the dominant religion in this country. What that means is that there is a majority that adheres to that religion. That's a problem in a democratic system, since the majority can pass laws. The constitutional language is not specific enough, though, to ensure that displays of religion in government owned places and venues are not allowed. So, there's always a risk that a majority of some kind will push for such displays.

It took a very long time to get specifically religious prayers out of places like schools and government meetings. In fact, that was never 100% achieved. The words "under God" got inserted in our previously non-religious pledge of allegiance that way. That happened in the 1950s. Before then, it was not there. I learned it without the reference to a deity.

We eventually came to understand the first amendment to prohibit the government from having anything to do with religious worship, but the language remains unclear, so we have to fight that battle again and again. Now, we have a SCOTUS that seems ready to allow religious practices within government-sponsored events. We'll have to fight the battle again, it seems.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
22. I absolutely agree with your points there.
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 01:25 PM
Jun 2022

I disagreed with the comments in this thread by posters who were apparently unaware of the public displays of faith by other religions, even in this country.

Sogo

(4,868 posts)
17. The next time Kaepernick or anyone else takes a knee,
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 12:58 PM
Jun 2022

they should cross themselves as they're doing it....

That'll shut 'em up!

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