Tweet from David Hogg

[ColinC]

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=1jrc_H0shiwHLE6Huj1oUg

If you knew Roe was likely going to be overturned and your plan was to just sing god bless America, say some vague bs about voting and ask for $15 you need to resign. Now.

[Lovie777]

1. He is the future ....

there is hope.

[Demsrule86]

50. God I hope not...I see very little to admire in this tweet. Just another Democratic party hater

[krawhitham]

95. +1

[Demsrule86]

101. Thank you!

[emulatorloo]

96. They were singing God Bless America because the gun control bill passed.

Mr. Hogg doesn’t seem to have his facts straight.

[Ferrets are Cool]

2. IF you like David Hogg, I wouldn't read the rest of the tweet.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. All the inaction of the past is going to affect his generation for the rest of their lives.

At least people from the older generation now get it. Biden and Pelosi are on board and ready to lead.

[sarisataka]

16. I read it differently

As he says later:

Republicans are not brilliant masterminds- Democrats and our leadership specifically are just unbelievably stupid and incompetent. I’m honestly amazed this party even exists it’s so disorganized and prayed upon by stupid and over paid consultants at every level.

(emphasis added)

In my mind, Biden and Pelosi are our leadership whom he calls out as "stupid and incompetent".

[Baitball Blogger]

20. He's young.

He hasn't seen Biden and Pelosi in their Centrist years. They're downright activists today, compared to what they were when they were younger.

But, yes, they need to fucking move. Each day build on the rhetoric they say today. Do what needs to be done, even if you don't succeed because the record will show that the problem is the Republicans.

And Biden, they're not playing fair. If you think you can get through without Executive Orders, you will be the last Democratic president of a time that will no longer exist.

[intheflow]

22. I'm sorry, but when it comes to messaging,

or even just being able to read the fascist writing on the wall, Dems are stupid and incompetent. I preached a sermon about the rise of US fascism in 2005. I was called alarmist by many life-long Dems: "We are the most liberal country in the world!" But when a choice came down to a liberal independent who voted with the Dems 98% of the time (a better track record than Manchin), our party refused to listen and insisted on running Clinton - a person both incredibly qualified and universally hated by half the country. Our leadership was more concerned with starry-eyed dreams of having the first woman president right after the first Black president than they were with listening to the younger, progressive wing of the party.

To be clear: this is not Dem-bashing. This is legit criticism about our party being blind to our own hubris, and dismissing the insights young people bring, especially the established Democrats who have been in power for decades. And ffs, the Boomers should know better than anyone the wisdom and power of young adulthood, since their passion in their youth led to the end of the Vietnam War and beginning/expanding civil rights for POC, women and LGBTQ+.

[JI7]

27. Sanders is overrated . His failure in 2020 shows this. The entire campaign was based on hating

Hillary. He did not bring out large numbers of young voters. He did horribly in 2020 Primary and lost to Biden who is similar to Hillary but was acceptable to certain people because he is a man .

You are doing what the Anti Choice crowd did by dismissing women's issues. Sanders attacked Planned Parenthood. Sanders was the problem in dismissing these issues.

Civil Rights , LGBTQ rights , Women's rights etc were fought by MANY different people over many years.

Young people have low voter turn out always because they just aren't paying attention to politics.

[JI7]

42. lol, Sanders IS FUCKING OLD . He disrespected planned parenthood

[intheflow]

45. Again: WTF? Sanders is one year older than Biden. n/t

[JI7]

49. You are the one complaining about the old guard when Sanders has been in public office

for over 4 decades.

[emulatorloo]

99. And accomplished very little in all that time when it comes down to it.

[inthewind21]

43. Says the crowd

Who stomped and threw a public fit at the convention, made utter fools of themselves all because they didn't know the rules of the game they were attempting to play.

[JI7]

44. Bigoted comment from this poster.

intheflow

41. I am in NO WAY dismissing women's issues!

 Where did you get that from? I also never said Sanders was the annointed one, but the disrespect the old guard showed to the Bernie supporters was, and continues to be, epic. I voted for Clinton, but I would have preferred voting for almost any other Democratic woman because HRC's baggage outweighed her vagina in my opinion.

[intheflow]

47. How is this bigoted?

[JI7]

53. Referring to Hillary as voting for her Vagina is bigotry. It's misogyny

while supporting a stupid old man who has been in office four decades without any accomplishments .

[Demsrule86]

60. Oh it is bigotted and insulting to women.

[emulatorloo]

100. The term "Vagina Voters" has always been sexist and dismissive of people who care about women's

issues. Given what the SCOTUS just did to Roe v Wade, the use of that term is both bigoted, egregious and tone-deaf.

[The Wizard]

37. A few years back

I called the Republicans the Party of the Klan. A Democratic fund raiser / bundler said I was crazy. He agrees with me today. Trump is the only candidate the Klan has ever endorsed.

[uponit7771]

89. ****THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ****

We're not going to be popular here in regards to calling out dem messaging which I have openly doing for more than 2 years ...

People are keen to blame everything else but DNC tactics

DNC has an uphill battle with the truth but just ... DAMN ... we're not beating air when it comes to the rest of the messaging in CoC !!!

That has ***NOTHING*** to do with the M$M !!!

[Cuthbert Allgood]

30. He might be referring to us having a super majority under Obama

and not codifying Roe. Which we could have and should have done. Everyone knew what the Republicans wanted.

[Wounded Bear]

39. The "super majority" during Obama's term is vastly over-stated...nt

[Cuthbert Allgood]

40. Well, Republicans haven't had a super majority since 1911

so us having a super majority for several months is better than what they have had but they got us to this point, so....

[inthewind21]

46. There was NO supermajority

For "several months". The info is out there for all to see. If you just seek it.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

61. So how have Republicans gotten anything done in the same time period?

Because they got us here and haven't had a supermajority since the beginning of the 20th century.

[Lancero]

65. Simple really, they put up enough of a fight against anything we try...

Until, eventually, we throw our hands up and proclaim "Oh well, nothing we can do!"

As you can both see from recent events, and figure from the sheer amount of people throwing up their hands in this topic, it's a mighty effective strategy.

[uponit7771]

91. +1,

[uponit7771]

90. Yes there was!! ACA could ... NOT ... have passed without it !!!

[intheflow]

51. He corrects himself further down that thread,

saying he meant to say "filibuster proof" majority.

[Demsrule86]

63. We never had a super majority...Kennedy suffered a seizure at the Inauguration breakfast.

And Al Franken was seated until July of 2009...so we have brief time and we also had Lieberman...and other conservadems in the Senate...so please stop.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

67. 1. We had a filibuster proof majority. That better?

2. So how have Republicans gotten anything done? Because they clearly did and haven't had 60 in the senate since 1911.

But, yeah, let's draw these "actually we didn't have a supermajority lines." We could have codified Roe. We didn't. And now we act surprised like we didn't know Republicans have wanted this since Roe was decided.

[uponit7771]

92. +1, I'm sick of the word games when it comes to 2009 senate. We could not pass ACA without ...

... filibuster proof senate

[Demsrule86]

52. That is just BS...what has he done? He is old enough. When younger voters don't even bother to

turn out and vote, I have very little sympathy for them. Who does he think can make the needed changes? Republicans?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

62. Just stop. Younger voters got us Biden.

Gen X (my generation) trended like 3% for Biden. Everything older than Gen X trended Trump. It was Millennials and Gen Z that got Biden elected. But don't let that get in the way of you shitting on "younger voters."

[Demsrule86]

66. That was one year and many have already turned against Democrats...and it wasn't close to the

the number who could have voted.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

69. IT'S THIS PRESIDENT. IT'S THIS YOUNG MAN'S GENERATION.

We told them to show up and they did. Now shitting on them probably isn't going to convince them to continue to do that.

And who cares if it was the number who could have voted. They got Biden elected. "Thank you, young voters" is what you meant to say.

[JI7]

79. Turnout was very low. Older black people had mutter to do with helping Biden

and other Democrats win.

Older black people vote democratic more than young white people.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

81. The numbers are what they are. Older than Gen X went Trump.

Gen X was basically a wash. It was Millennials and Gen Z that got Trump elected when we look at age of voters which was the point of the original post I responded to which wanted to bash young voters.

[JI7]

82. Race had more factor than age. As you say the numbers are what they are

And older black people vote democratic in higher percentage than young white people.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

83. Not arguing that. The original post I responded to indicated young voters don't bother.

They did bother and if we look at JUST age, it was the youngest two voting eligible generations that went Biden.

[JI7]

85. Of those that voted most went for Biden but most young white men voted Trump

[Hav]

4. Yikes, no kidding

I understand his frustration but it's also unfortunate when otherwise seemingly intelligent people view critical and complex issues in the most simplistic and populistic ways.
It's the kind of rhetoric that gets you Twitter likes from the extremes but it can also suppress interest and election turnout.

[betsuni]

6. +1

[RAB910]

15. this, pointing at your fellow victims only helps the evil GOP/right-wingnuts

[Raster]

34. I've followed David since he first started posting and joined "March For Our Lives" early on...

...I am a gun violence survivor and this issue is close to my heart.

HOWEVER, repeating #GOP and #BernieBros talking points doesn't cut it.

Yes, I wish the Dems were better at overall messaging.

And YES, I wish we had the votes to codify Roe, but we don't.

And to David and his fans: Obama and Co thought Roe was safe, they turned their attentions to getting healthcare for all.

And I am sick and fucking tired of "Gen whatever" won't forget. Really? Y'all seem to forget to vote plenty often.

Or do the youth only vote when their pet pony issue makes it to the top???

[inthewind21]

48. BINGO!

[inthewind21]

57. It's a head shaker

He's complaining about the singing, AFTER THE FIRST GUN BILL IN FOREVER WAS SIGNED. Let that sink in for just a minute. Makes it hard for me to take him seriously anymore. Shame, he seemed promising. He now seems no more than any of the other "look at me" personalities who let it all go to his head and is more concerned with his public persona then what he claimed he was fighting for.

[Tarheel_Dem]

102. Ditto! And let's not forget that we were smack dab in the middle of an economic crisis.

People were losing their homes & life savings, at an alarming rate, when Obama took office. Selective memory is convenient, but it sure leaves out a lot of facts, especially when one doesn't care about the truth.

[lees1975]

10. Read the rest of the conversation...

It's a valid opinion.

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. It would be reported and banned here at DU

[intheflow]

25. Pretty sure

my comment above will be alerted on, but wtf. I was taught that you can love your country and still criticize it. Same goes for political parties.

[Shipwack]

32. +1000! nt

[Demsrule86]

54. As it should be...it does not help anyone but Republicans.

[lees1975]

80. I disagree.

If Democrats are adverse to listening to their own supporters, and David Hogg is a Democrat who votes for and supports Democrats, then we're prone to make the same mistakes. He's young, sometimes impetuous and not always right but he's one young man who has his head on straight. This midterm election is critical, if we don't win it then we lose our democracy and what we get is some kind of autocracy where anyone eligible to run for office is pre-selected by the political party in charge first.

[Strelnikov_]

17. Agree

And I am pretty much where he is.

[Sympthsical]

26. The Daily Show has been vicious in a similar vein

I'm surprised it hasn't gotten any play here. The bit about the guy doing yoga. I was like, "Is this possibly real? Oh dear god, it actually is . . ."

(Start at about 4:45 to see the similarity to David Hogg)

[Act_of_Reparation]

56. Some of us can handle criticism.

[In It to Win It]

5. I think the singing was planned for passing the gun legislation

Not the Dobbs decision. They just happen to occur around the same time… but yeah the singing should have been cancel because Dobbs was gonna take all the oxygen.

[sheshe2]

8. It was.

They also had pictures of the children that died along with family members to honor them. I don’t think it should’ve been canceled it was probably planned before the Supreme Court handed down their decision.

[In It to Win It]

14. I missed the pictures. I also assumed it was planned before the Dobbs decision

The optics didn’t look good.

People were thinking the single was in response to Dobbs, and these were left-leaning people and voters like us. Abortions rights are being attacked and the Party’s response is… to sing ‘God Bless America.’

Just for the optics, I think it should have been canceled but it could have (and likely did) confused people.

[JI7]

23. THat makes no sense .

[In It to Win It]

74. Apparently I looked at the wrong thing... Mea Culpa

The thing I saw didn't include parents, or congresspersons or any of that.

Apparently I saw some other clip.

[inthewind21]

59. So,

You think the parents of dead kids, who FINALLY got a crumb from Congress should go quietly away because clearly large parts of the public hasn't the slightest clue what's going on any given day and it might offend said clueless people who can't walk and chew gun at the same time?

[In It to Win It]

73. Nope

I've been introduced to new info. The clip that I saw didn't include the parents or the pictures, it was a smaller group of singers with no parents and no pictures, looked so out of place that you can hear the SCOTUS protesters in the background.

I just saw Speaker Pelosi's speech and the pictures and the parents just now as a previous poster mentioned it. Now, that looks entirely appropriate.

That makes me question 'what the fuck was I looking at the first time?'

[JohnSJ]

7. It would be nice if David Hogg understood what it takes to win elections, and read the platforms of

the Democrats and republicans to understand the difference between the parties

He is upset because politicians are seeking donations after Roe was overturned, implying that they knew that Roe was going to be overturned?

Funny that he leaves the most important historical context out. In 2016 everyone knew, or should have known that the Supreme Court was at stake. The fact that McConnel held up President Obama’s Supreme Count nomination should have made it obvious why the election of 2016 was so critical, and the fact that in those critical swing states would determine the outcome

In every one of those critical swing states Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing swing states.

Elections have consequences Mr. Hogg, and it takes money to win elections

I have seen David Hogg time and again play the “both sider game”, whether it’s is with gun control and now this.

Sorry Mr. Hogg, no matter how subtle you try to be, it is not a question of both sides are “guilty”

The difference between republicans and Democrats is night and day on most every issue, from gun control, abortion, environmental rights, workers rights, Civil Rights, etc., and frankly it is about time you realize that

[betsuni]

9. +1

[Ferrets are Cool]

12. This

[Nixie]

13. +1000. I bet some of them don't know who Al Gore is and how

we’re all worse off because of “both sides” messaging.

[JI7]

24. I think it's a social media thing also and people looking for attention and likes

[Raster]

36. Thank you!

[inthewind21]

64. Lest we all forget

How any of us even know the name David Hogg. Clearly he has. He's COMPLAINING about parents of dead kids singing with D members of congress because FINALLY they got a small crumb from congress in the form a gun bill. Are you fucking kidding me! He just tore off his mask and showed exactly WHO he is. Fame seeking attention whore springs to mind. My, how quickly the mighty can fall.

[sarisataka]

18. So Mr. Hogg believes Democrats in Congress

Should mass resign right before an election? That would improve our situation?

[JoanofArgh]

19. It's all about the numbers. People on Twitter keep bringing up FDR and comparing with Biden.

FDR had huge majorities at the time.

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=skMuUdXTuDbxc5NGujYPDw

[JI7]

29. Yes, Democrats had higher numbers when we had conservatives . Even into the 80s

We had very conservative Democrats that opposed gay rights, abortion rights etc.

But having control of Congress still helps in preventing Republicans from setting the agenda.

It's not just about passing laws but about preventing the other side from passing shitty laws .

A lot of this is just boring stuff but for those actually interested in issues more than looking for social media attention they get this.

[ColinC]

35. Warnock, Ossoff, Beto,Abrams, etc may prove we can win the south without moderates and conservatives

Especially with changing demographics, etc.

[JI7]

21. He doesn't seem very smart , In 2016 people ridiculed women's issues

claiming voting for Hillary was just about voting for her because she was a woman and attacking planned parenthood as establishment .

Why were these issues ridiculed and dismissed ?

Even this and very recently when the issue of Student debt is brought up we have had people justify not voting democratic unless Biden gets rid of all student debt . When we brought up Supreme Court and Roe and other issues they dismissed it .

[IronLionZion]

28. GOP wants kids to be born but not make it to recess

[leftieNanner]

31. We did not have a 60 member Senate in 2009!

Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd were sick, and Al Franken had not been seated yet.

Somebody want to tell Mr. Hogg?

[ColinC]

33. Franken was seated 7/09. There were a solid 2 or 3 working months

With him. But regardless of whether they could pass cloture, it would be a hard sell to think Dems couldn't alter the rules to get these things done as a simple majority with 58 votes. The Senate sacrificed human rights for the sake of decorum and tradition -and at the time, "bipartisanship."

[Demsrule86]

58. And we spent that time passing the ACA and barely got it done...we never had a 60 vote

majority...I suppose you don't remember Blanch Lincoln, Mary Landrieu,Tom Arkin and Evan Bayh to name but a few...who were conservadems. So stop blaming Democrats.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

71. Seems like major health care overhaul would have been a good bill to codify Roe with.

But, what do I know. I teach high school English.

[Demsrule86]

68. We were working on the ACA...and the conservadems like Blanche Lincoln were not going to

certify Roe.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

38. The Republicans haven't had a 60 member Senate since *checks notes 1911

yet here we fucking are.

[Demsrule86]

70. But they won more presidential elections and thus have the courts which is who destroyed Roe.

We need to win elections...including state elections.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

72. You do know the republicans stopped Obama from having an appointment, right?

and they did that without a supermajority. And we let Alito go in without a supermajority.

What was your point again? Oh, yeah, vote. That will solve everything. Which is obviously hasn't.

[Demsrule86]

75. They had the Senate and it was the first time that had ever happened except for Bork...which

was different as he withdrew and a Republican was seated eventually. The Republicans controlled the Senate because they won in 14...we as a party didn't show up to support President Obama. We didn't have the votes and no Republicans voted with us...so what is your point...It used to be the president got his pick...but now, you need the Senate as well. We didn't have 51 votes to confirm Garland so how is that fixable exactly. What should we have done? The only reason they could 'steal' our SCOTUS pick is because some refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 16 Hillary Clinton and they knew the court was endangered and still voted for Stein or stayed home...Give me a break

[Cuthbert Allgood]

76. They found a way and we didn't

That's what it comes down to. I'm tired of the moving goal posts. Hope it works out for you blaming this on some progressive boogie man that didn't vote for Clinton like that election was that simple to break down. Focusing your rage there should help a lot in making sure things don't get worse.

[Demsrule86]

78. They did not find a way...they had the Senate and presidency when the last GOP judges were

put on, Scotus. They had the votes needed. It is no great mystery. They had the votes and we did not. If Trump had lost the Senate, he would have gotten no judges either.

[Polybius]

88. "as he withdrew and a Republican was seated eventually"

Bork never withdrew. He was voted down, and off the top of my head the vote was 42-58. Kennedy got in, but was a solid Roe vote.

[Demsrule86]

77. We are here because we don't vote in every election...how much could President Obama have

done if we had his back over two terms. Some celebrated the loss of conservadems n 2010, but we only have a majority with a big tent. And all of them were replaced with Republicans who never vote with us...some victory that.

[sarisataka]

84. Pyrrhic

I believe is the word you are looking for.

I recall that election, and others, there was celebration of "we don't need those kind of Democrats". So we instead get radically conservative Republicans but trash our current Democrats for not getting everything done that we want.

[uponit7771]

93. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !! We had a filibuster proof senate or we couldn't get the ACA passed !! Stop with

... the excuses and word smithing.

Like Zel to Russia ... Dems didn't think MAGA would do ... they are and now its time to go to f**kin war

[mathematic]

55. So he's a gun control activist that's tone policing reps that got more gun control passed

David Hogg was 9 in 2009, btw, so his analysis of what the dems could have done back then is based off what he's read on the internet. Just goes to show you those anti-liberal leftist talking points about the dems are working.

[Polybius]

86. I always suspected that he was a Justice Democrat

This is what's upsetting him. Yeah, he's bashing Democrats.

[Sympthsical]

87. Well, this heel turn came quickly

Predictably, but quickly.

And I'm not referencing Hogg.

[BannonsLiver]

94. Some Dunning Kruger shit going on up thread with the guy who won't admit there was no super majority

Inform yourself, bro.

[emulatorloo]

98. +1