I am not calling for this. I sincerely hope it never occurs, BUT---

[Atticus]

---those who refuse to acknowledge the distinct possibility of armed violence by "militias", public beatings and stompings by the MAGA crowd and peaceful protesters being run over without consequence by large pickups flying "TRUMP 2024" flags are ignoring reality.

Stated simply, the Trump party is committed to doing WHATEVER is necessary to seize power, retain power and punish and intimidate any opponents.

The anti-"small d democratic" whack jobs---including many in Congress---will never call it "murder" or "assassination", but many of them are flat-out willing to kill those who dare disagree with them. And, yes, I mean that literally.

"WHATEVER!"

Can I prove the above? No, but I genuinely believe it.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

[onecaliberal]

1. Their leader wanted to allow AR15's to kill as many in Congress as possible on J6

That was made clear on Tuesday.

[Ocelot II]

2. I fear we might be heading into something like "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland -

intermittent acts of terrorism and guerilla warfare directed mostly at government entities but with a lot of civilian collateral damage.

[H2O Man]

12. I agree.

And that's a terrible direction to go in, as everyone got hurt, including innocent people.

[Dan]

18. Something I was also thinking of....

[geardaddy]

24. Yes, I see that as an apt comparison

But I would think that the Goopers are the Ulster Orangemen (pardon the pun) with their stupid parades

[bluecollar2]

48. Your perspective is warped.

It would make sense if the GOOPers were the majority but they weren't.

Unless you have personal experience regarding growing up and living in Britain during the 70's I'd recommend you avoid comparing Loyalists to nazi fascists.

Yes...it is personal.

Rant over

[erronis]

28. Difference. The american troubles will be exceptional with so many guns and ammo.

Watching the Ulvade horror, even our finest (sarcasm) didn't want to face up to a lone 18yo.

I know some say that the US military, if called out, can take out any 18yo easily. But if these traitors are acting as terrorists, they won't be a unified force that can be napalmed or stunned with our modern weapons.

Our major problem is allowing everyone to have access to violently lethal weaponry. PERIOD.

This mindset has been foisted on us by:
1. enemies of this democracy - foreign and home-grown
2. weaponry manufacturers
3. people who fear other people - paranoids

[Elessar Zappa]

42. Yes.

We won’t have a civil war but a scenario similar to the “Troubles” is possible. We can still avoid it but it will take good people to pay attention and vote.

[brush]

3. I wouldn't put anything past the maga crowds but I think the repub party...

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is looking to move on from trump. The alarming revelations from the J6 hearings make it highly probable that trump won't be the party's nominee in 2024.

He's an increasing embarrassment to not just that party but to the nation. Just imagine the campaign ads that can be fashioned from the video clips of the J6 failed coup.

[RobertDevereaux]

17. May you be dead-on correct!

And may that horrendous party fall into disarray and lose EVERY election slot in November from dogcatcher on up to Congress critter.

[LudwigPastorius]

23. DeSantis is gaining ground on Trump.

He has recently edged out the Orange Odious One in polls in New Hampshire and Colorado.

Hopefully over the next two years, Trump will have to spend more time defending himself in court than campaigning.

[leftieNanner]

27. DeSantis is possibly more dangerous than Trump!

He may not command the goons, but he can do a lot of damage from the Oval Office if he gets in there. (shudder)

[slater71]

44. You are correct DeSantis is Trump with a brain.

But they both want to be dictators for life and suck the life out of this country for their own gain. They must be destroyed and never be allowed to be near the White House.

[Ocelot II]

38. He sucks, too. He's every bit as mean, just not as disorganized.

[Baitball Blogger]

4. I believe it too.

The State's Right move will activate the crazies on the Right.

[Voltaire2]

5. Plus huge overlap between cops and militias.

Fascist political movements use the police directly or indirectly to contest the state’s monopoly on the use of violence.

[usonian]

13. Faced with violent acts, will police (outside Uvalde) largely turn their backs?

It's the law and their duty to take action. And voters can change their leadership.
See next post.

[GoCubsGo]

6. I believe they prefer to call it "Second Amendment remedies."

I think the Right, those on the Supreme Court included, are going to rue the day way they encouraged these rubes to arm themselves to the gills. It's just a matter of time before some of them get off by some of these heavily-armed nutjobs, who finally figure out who has really been fucking them over all this time. Heck, there's already a ton of infighting going on, and it's going to get worse.

[Voltaire2]

7. They are too far in to escape their delusions.

Any bad outcomes will be blamed on ‘the libs’, and it is us who will be their targets.

[GoCubsGo]

8. They'll just expand their definition of who are their enemies.

Like I said, they're already starting to fight each other. When you're that fucked up, just about everyone is going to be a "lib" at some point.

[Thomas Hurt]

9. The extremist right has been at this for decades and it is getting worse.

The DOJ/FBI barely acknowledge this terrorism. This list is a few years old.

KKK – 1865 to present
The Order – 1983
Griffin – 1993
Hill - 1994
Salvi - 1994
*McVeigh – 1995
*Nichols – 1995
Larry Wayne Shoemake – 1996
Eric Rudolph - 1996
Eric Rudolph – 1998
James Kopp - 1998
*Alan Pilon, Robert Mason, Jason McVean – 1998e
Benjamin and James Williams – 1999
Buford Furrow – 1999
Richard Baumhammers – 2000
Mark Stroman – 2001
*Steven Bixby - 2003
Wade and Christopher Lay - 2004
Jim Adkisson – 2008
Keith Luke – 2009
*Keith Poplawski – 2009
*Joshua Cartwright – 2009
Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, Jason Bush - 2009
Scott Roeder – 2009
James Von Brunn – 2009
Joseph Stack - 2010
*Jerry and Joseph Kane - 2010
David Pedersen and Holly Grigsby – 2011
Wade Page – 2012
*Brian Smith and Kyle Joekel – 2012
Christopher Lacy – 2012
Frazier Miller – 2014
*Eric Frein - 2014
*Amanda and Jerad Miller 2014
Dylan Roof - 2015
Robert Dear – 2015
*James Jackson - 2017
Jeremy Christian 2017
James Fields – 2017
*Killed Law Enforcement Officers

[calimary]

29. Useful list. Thanks, Thomas Hurt!

[erronis]

32. There must be another list of the "antifa left" that has many more names (kidding)

Some of those names in your list I recognize. Most have faded into history or weren't really broadcast.

Wonder if another public list such as the "FBI 10 Most Wanted" shouldn't be available:
Last 1,000 Mass Murderers With Their Toll

Of course every nutjob would want to be on that list.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

10. An enormous segment of Red Amerika is "standing back, and standing by".

They are ignorant, armed, dangerous, and have no conscience.

[Hela]

11. Every single one of these guys supported it and probably still do.

https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-TRUMP/LAWMAKERS/xegpbedzdvq/

147 Republicans who voted to overturn the 2020 election:

8 Senators

Ted Cruz (TX)
Josh Hawley (MO)
Cindy Hyde-Smith (MS)
Cynthia Lummis (WY)
John Kennedy (LA)
Roger Marshall (KS)
Rick Scott (FL)
Tommy Tuberville (AL)

139 House members

Robert Aderholt (AL)
Rick Allen (GA)
Jodey Arrington (TX)
Brian Babin (TX)
Jim Baird (IN)
Jim Banks (IN)
Cliff Bentz (OR)
Jack Bergman (MI)
Stephanie Bice (OK)
Andy Biggs (AZ)
Dan Bishop (NC)
Lauren Boebert (CO)
Mike Bost (IL)
Mo Brooks (AL)
Ted Budd (NC)
Tim Burchett (TN)
Michael Burgess (TX)
Ken Calvert (CA)
Kat Cammack (FL)
Jerry Carl (AL)
Buddy Carter (GA)
John Carter (TX)
Madison Cawthorn (NC)
Steve Chabot (OH)
Ben Cline (VA)
Michael Cloud (TX)
Andrew Clyde (GA)
Tom Cole (OK)
Rick Crawford (AR)
Warren Davidson (OH)
Scott DesJarlais (TN)
Mario Diaz-Balart (FL)
Byron Donalds (FL)
Jeff Duncan (SC)
Neal Dunn (FL)
Ron Estes (KS)
Pat Fallon (TX)
Michelle Fischbach (MN)
Scott Fitzgerald (WI)
Chuck Fleischmann (TN)
Virginia Foxx (NC)
Scott Franklin (FL)
Russ Fulcher (ID)
Matt Gaetz (FL)
Mike Garcia (CA)
Bob Gibbs (OH)
Carlos Gimenez (FL)
Louie Gohmert (TX)
Bob Good (VA)
Lance Gooden (TX)
Paul Gosar (AZ)
Garret Graves (LA)
Sam Graves (MO)
Mark Green (TN)
Marjorie Greene (GA)
Morgan Griffith (VA)
Michael Guest (MS)
Jim Hagedorn (MN)
Andy Harris (MD)
Diana Harshbarger (TN)
Vicky Hartzler (MO)
Kevin Hern (OK)
Yvette Herrell (NM)
Jody Hice (GA)
Clay Higgins (LA)
Richard Hudson (NC)
Darrell Issa (CA)
Ronny Jackson (TX)
Chris Jacobs (NY)
Mike Johnson (LA)
Bill Johnson (OH)
Jim Jordan (OH)
John Joyce (PA)
Fred Keller (PA)
Trent Kelly (MS)
Mike Kelly (PA)
David Kustoff (TN)
Doug LaMalfa (CA)
Doug Lamborn (CO)
Jacob LaTurner (KS)
Debbie Lesko (AZ)
Billy Long (MO)
Barry Loudermilk (GA)
Frank Lucas (OK)
Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO)
Nicole Malliotakis (NY)
Tracey Mann (KS)
Brian Mast (FL)
Kevin McCarthy (CA)
Lisa McClain (MI)
Daniel Meuser (PA)
Mary Miller (IL)
Carol Miller (WV)
Alex Mooney (WV)
Barry Moore (AL)
Markwayne Mullin (OK)
Gregory Murphy (NC)
Troy Nehls (TX)
Ralph Norman (SC)
Devin Nunes (CA)
Jay Obernolte (CA)
Burgess Owens (UT)
Steven Palazzo (MS)
Gary Palmer (AL)
Greg Pence (IN)
Scott Perry (PA)
August Pfluger (TX)
Bill Posey (FL)
Guy Reschenthaler (PA)
Tom Rice (SC)
Mike Rogers (AL)
Hal Rogers (KY)
John Rose (TN)
Matt Rosendale (MT)
David Rouzer (NC)
John Rutherford (FL)
Steve Scalise (LA)
David Schweikert (AZ)
Pete Sessions (TX)
Jason Smith (MO)
Adrian Smith (NE)
Lloyd Smucker (PA)
Elise Stefanik (NY)
Greg Steube (FL)
Chris Stewart (UT)
Glenn Thompson (PA)
Tom Tiffany (WI)
William Timmons (SC)
Jefferson Van Drew (NJ)
Beth Van Duyne (TX)
Tim Walberg (MI)
Jackie Walorski (IN)
Randy Weber (TX)
Daniel Webster (FL)
Roger Williams (TX)
Joe Wilson (SC)
Rob Wittman (VA)
Ron Wright (TX)
Lee Zeldin (NY)

[calimary]

30. ANOTHER most useful list!

Thanks, Hela!

[Behind the Aegis]

34. As a FYI, Markwayne Mullin is running for senator in OK.

HE is a nut-job!

[erronis]

35. We may need to build another supermax to hold these perps.

No golf course, no hot tubs.

Steam room, yes: while you're washing and folding for the next 30+ years.

[usonian]

14. Part of a plan. We know it and can stop it by being united and strong.

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16835820
snips

Chaos means weak government, and that means little or no regulation of oligarchs. Period.
It's exactly the Nazi Germany playbook

Normalize hate and violence.
Stochastic terrorism.
Bring down elected government.

Plan in more detail:
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/6/2044226/-America-2021-The-Good-the-Bad-the-Ugly
“Democracy in Crisis: We’ve Been Headed Here for Decades.” Part 1of 8
Read all 8 to get the "plan" in detail.

more at my post. (It's a good one)

[rubbersole]

31. The only thing to stop the oligarchs is government.

But it's not happening here. Our reps are employees of the 1%.

[erronis]

36. And the enemies are playing us against each other.

I don't have a solution since we allow treasonous broadcasts from networks within our own country.

A large segment of the population has been coopted by these media and cannot let go of their beliefs.

Trying to limit what is broadcast takes us back to the 1st Amendment. Damned if we do/don't.

[CaptainTruth]

15. You are absolutely right.

[dalton99a]

16. No one should ever discount that

[Missn-Hitch]

19. Hear, hear!!

I am building a small AND LEGAL arsenal to protect my realm.

I am prepared to die but I will be damn sure to get at least two or more nazis on my way out. My wife will do the same.

Prepare my fellow Americans.

Happy 4th everyone.

Cheers.

[vercetti2021]

20. I mean if they wanna get shot sure

I'm protected in the home and outside the home. Not gonna die at the hands of these bastards unless a few are coming with me to hell

[wiggs]

21. WHO THE HELL WERE THOSE MERCENARIES that Barr sent to progressive cities, the ones

that had no badges or ID? The ones that stuffed protests?

[electric_blue68]

22. Unfortunately this is probably true with single random actions, and more planned ones

[Bo Zarts]

25. I'm in Idaho working fire season .. I see it.

I agree 100%

[uponit7771]

26. K&R, it's happened before in nations as democratic as America is right now

[Lil Liberal Laura]

33. I Agree Completely

They've already shown contempt for the Constitution, disregard for the law in general, and hostility toward democracy!

[Mr. Evil]

40. And women.

[aggiesal]

37. You walked into a Bill Maher skit ''I don't know it for a fact, I just know that it's true.'' ...

[BlackSkimmer]

46. Lol. nt

[Glaisne]

39. I believe it to.

At some point though, these guys are going to learn that it works both ways. When the pushback finally comes, watch out.

[czarjak]

41. Naught-Z's are always willing to kill. It's winning to them.

[SpankMe]

43. I can see this

And, I can see "liberals" suddenly becoming more "tolerant" of guns for their own protection. Some truly horrific scenarios have crossed my mind.

[AntiFascist]

45. Recall that 4 Capitol police officers who responded to the attack have since committed suicide...

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/officer-who-responded-us-capitol-attack-is-third-die-by-suicide-2021-08-02/

There are obviously members of law enforcement who were, and probably still are, conflicted by the desires of their former president and their allegiance to the Constitution. I have little doubt that once the full scope of the crimes committed by TFG and his upper echelon are revealed, then many more of the majority of law enforcement, the military, and other parts of our Federal and State militias will come to their senses. The small number of MAGA militia members willing to continue to pursue some sort of widespread revolution would have no chance.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

47. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Bombed_Judi_Bari

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Bombed_Judi_Bari

[myohmy2]

49. +1...

...

[Irish_Dem]

50. The GOP is arming angry white males for a reason.

They are the GOP storm troopers to be used against anyone who does not back the new white christian male minority rule.

[TeamProg]

51. Since it is likely that TFG will be indicted (and convicted) before Nov. 2024, that news will

either be the match that ignites the violent RW nutcases or it won't.


I hate to say that whatever happens won't really matter that much on the long run since we global economies are not going to be able to keep the earth's temp increase post pre-industrial below that 1.5 C tipping point.. Not even close. That stage left town. We'll be hitting 2.0C+ before 2050 and the water and habitable land wars will "trump" political divisions.