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The issue presented in this case has been a recurring one in recent years. Two parts of the ConstitutionArticle I, Section 4 as to congressional elections and Article II as to presidential electionsgive state legislatures the power to set certain rules (in the Article I, Section 4 context, subject to congressional override). In cases such as Smiley v. Holm, the Supreme Court has long understood the use of the term legislature here to broadly encompass a states legislative process, such as the need for a governors signature on legislative action (or veto override) about congressional elections. As recently as 2015, in Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission v. Arizona Legislature, the Supreme Court held that the voters in Arizona could use the initiative process to create an independent redistricting commission to draw congressional districts even when the state legislature objected. The majority saw voters passing legislation via initiative as part of that legislative process.
Take the facts of the Moore case. The North Carolina Supreme Court, interpreting a provision of the state constitution protecting the right to vote, held that partisan gerrymandering violated the state constitution and required drawing fairer lines, including in congressional districts. That state court is majority Democrat, and the North Carolina General Assembly is majority Republican. The Republican legislature argued that this holding usurped its sole and plenary power to choose the manner for drawing congressional districts.
Pause on that for a moment: The theory in this extreme form is that the state constitution as interpreted by the state supreme court is not a limit on legislative power. This position would essentially neuter the development of any laws protecting voters more broadly than the federal Constitution based on voting rights provisions in state constitutions. It also goes against what Roberts wrote for the conservative majority of the court as recently as in the 2019 redistricting case Rucho v. Common Cause, when he explicitly said that provisions in state statutes and state constitutions can provide standards and guidance for state courts to apply regarding redistricting. As Roberts wrote, the courts have a role to play in redistricting fights:
Our conclusion does not condone excessive partisan gerrymandering. Nor does our conclusion condemn complaints about districting to echo into a void. The States, for example, are actively addressing the issue on a number of fronts. In 2015, the Supreme Court of Florida struck down that States congressional districting plan as a violation of the Fair Districts Amendment to the Florida Constitution.
A state supreme courtalbeit a Democratic-controlled onemaking a judgment about what a state constitution allows in terms of redistricting is also what happened in North Carolina. Of course, the composition of the Supreme Court has changed in the intervening years since Rucho.
Whats worse, this theory might not just restrain state supreme courts; it can also potentially restrain state and local agencies and governors implementing rules for running elections.
Link to tweet
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)jimfields33
(15,820 posts)I bet that will be addressed at some point.
blm
(113,063 posts)Been that way for 2 decades now.
gab13by13
(21,359 posts)I don't feel so bad now that the Senate failed to pass S1. If it had, it would have been appealed to the SC and the Court may have ruled for the states absolute right to run their own elections already, at least we have some time.
I said this about this court, that at least 2 members publicly stated in favor of the absolute right of states to run their own elections. It turns out there were 4 justices who feel that way. All the fascist court needs is for Coney Barrett to come aboard.
msongs
(67,413 posts)"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators."
of course the christian taliban on the court could ignore this
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)In It to Win It
(8,254 posts)and that is their point.
A GOP-led state legislature that has no desire to be checked a Democratic-majority state supreme court is trying to gut the state court's ability to act when they try to enact their rigged rules and rigged maps.
hlthe2b
(102,289 posts)Link to tweet
https://www.democracydocket.com/alerts/u-s-supreme-court-to-review-republican-redistricting-case-about-state-legislative-power/
U.S. Supreme Court To Review Republican Redistricting Case About State Legislative Power
WASHINGTON, D.C. Today, the U.S. Supreme Court granted a Republican petition out of North Carolina focused on the states congressional map, opening up review on the radical independent state legislature (ISL) theory during the Courts next term. This theory, thus far dismissed by courts as a fringe constitutional theory, argues that state legislatures have special authority to set federal election rules, free from interference from other parts of the state government such as state courts and governors. This special authority, according to the ISL theory, means that only state legislatures can draw new congressional districts and any map passed by a state judicial system is unconstitutional. How the Court rules on this issue could shape legislatures power in regulating federal elections and the checks and balances on this power for years to come.
The ISL theory was pushed by North Carolina Republicans when state courts enacted a remedial congressional map for the 2022 elections after the previous map was struck down for being a partisan gerrymander. After an emergency application seeking to block the remedial map was denied in March, legislators asked the Court to review the full case and decide Whether a States judicial branch may nullify the regulations governing [federal elections] and replace them with regulations of the state courts own devising. In granting the Republicans petition today, at least four justices agreed that this is an important, unresolved issue that requires the attention of the Court. The case will go on the Courts docket next term.
Red Mountain
(1,733 posts)will blue states step up? Seems fair.
That's where the population is, anyway. Doesn't seem like a winning issue for Repubes.
gab13by13
(21,359 posts)Texas did it back in 2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Texas_redistricting
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)It's pretty much inevitable at this point. Just like the overturning of Roe.
We need at least 2 repub justices to leave during a time when a Democrat controls Both the White House & the Senate.
And we're not going to get there by expanding the court. It simply isn't going to happen anytime soon.
And we're not going to be able to Impeach Thomas, or any of the other conservative pricks on the court.
The more we complain about what they're doing, and what they will likely do with this case, the more determined they'll be in fucking with us. If anything, they'll enjoy the fact we're pissed about it.
So sadly, this is where we are. Because enough Americans voted for the POS, rather than the lady who may have sent some e-mails from a personal account.
gab13by13
(21,359 posts)Extreme times require extreme measures, there must be a way.
Zeitghost
(3,862 posts)By design, does not allow for extreme measures. That's a good thing in case you were wondering.
Mister Ed
(5,940 posts)Zeitghost
(3,862 posts)But not extreme measures.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)to have democracy or peaceful transitions of power.
Either justices are replaced somehow, the court is increased somehow, or it is over.
In It to Win It
(8,254 posts)Congress would need to step in and make the rules but Congress is extremely dysfunctional. They can't seem to do much nowawdays.
gab13by13
(21,359 posts)the SC just overruled Congress. Congress created the Clean Air Act which the SC just gutted. The SC is both the Judicial and Legislatives branches of government.
In It to Win It
(8,254 posts)The Supreme Court is rewriting the establishment clause as we speak.
If the constitution is still a thing, it gives Congress the express authority to regulate federal elections.
But that's just me saying a bunch of words that I'm not sure still apply anymore. I guess we'd have to check with the Supreme Six to ask if Congress can do that if they somehow learn how to function and assume their proper role in government.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)They have given themselves exclusive power to decide what Congress can do, what the Administration can do, and what the American people can do.
UTUSN
(70,706 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)is beyond frightening
is probably the most terrifying case.
I remember hearing about this months ago when the NC supreme court struck down the map and hearing the news that the legislature petitioned for cert, my heart dropped.