I have been thinking about removing the filibuster just for codifying Roe, and have ha several

[JohnSJ]

discussions with fellow DUers

I have gone back and forth on this arguing to codify Roe it would be worth it

However, as others pointed out, there is a real danger that if the filibuster is removed for legislation, there is a real danger that if Roe was Codified by a filibuster exception, if we lose the majority in the Senate, and the executive branch, the republicans could use that same mechanism to make abortion at the state level illegal, along with other draconian bills

As someone pointed out to me today, this could end up making things even worse

Of course if republicans take back control of the Senate, at the first opportunity, wouldn’t they drop the filibuster to push through draconian legislation?

In other words, isn’t it a matter of time that the elimination of the filibuster rule eventually happens?

[PoliticAverse]

1. When they are talking about removing the filibuster for codifying Roe, they mean for that single

piece of legislation. Senators can bypass the filibuster for a single piece of legislation without affecting the filibuster for any other pieces of legislation.

[JohnSJ]

2. I understand that, but wouldn't republicans do the same thing if they take control of the Senate to

undo what the Democrats did?

[PoliticAverse]

3. If a Democrat is still President it doesn't matter what bills Republicans pass in the Senate with...

less than a 2/3rd majority as a Democratic President could veto them.

If a Republican is President there isn't anything from stopping Republicans from bypassing the filibuster for a single bill regardless what Democrats did in the past.

As to codifying Roe Manchin and Sinema are now on record as not being willing to bypass the filibuster for the single bill so it will require at least 2 Republicans to join in anyway.

[happy feet]

10. Repubs have already done that several times for specific legislation

[unblock]

4. Republicans we lie cheat and steal to gain power and then abuse it any way they can

I'd like to think a statement like that was hyperbolic, but we've now got a Republican Party that believes in violence, coups, grift, a radical court deciding whatever it wants, massive voter suppression, legislatures overruling election results, etc.

If republicans ever get the wheel, they will drive us off a cliff so deep there's no climbing back.

We must do whatever we can to re-establish our democracy and proper rights for everyone.

We can't constantly be fighting with both hands tied behind our backs.

We have to stop being obsessed with quaint procedures and traditions that republicans will stomp without a second thought the minute it's convenient for them.

Look at mcturtle making up rules so deny garland a seat on the court and now we have the crazies running the show.

[usonian]

5. Repubs "except" the filibuster all the time when they need to.

I am sure someone has statistics. It seems a one way street. Ppl, correct me if this is wrong.

Or ask Mitch.

[JCMach1]

6. Kill the fillibuster already. It's quite alright if Americans finally

Learn elections have consequences and politics isn't just one big 'no' tantrum.

Somehow , all of the parliamentary democracies survive just fine without it, or eve the check of a Separate Executive BRANCH...

[Hamlette]

7. what makes you think they won't get rid of the filibuster even if we don't?

After holding up the appointment of Garland to the Supreme Court in 2016 and attempting a coup they will do anything.

I don't trust them.

[JohnSJ]

12. That is what it appears looking at the abusive history of the republicans which started to

it’s full effect when Obama became President

[Septua]

15. Exactly

If the Dems lose control of the Senate, McConnell will run the country.

[pecosbob]

8. IMO the real risk of using this route is that the SC can declare the codification unconstitutional

without any justification...

[JohnSJ]

13. That seems likely with this SC. I don't think the ACA would ever make it through todays

SC

[BaronChocula]

9. Let's not worry that republicans will do Y if we do X

They're eventually gonna do Y anyway. Boxers don't refuse to get in the ring out of fear they're going to get hit. Let's get in the ring and fight!

[Demsrule86]

11. The GOP could eliminate the filibuster and do what they want anytime they want. I think

the filibuster needs to go as soon as we get the votes. Our policy is popular and the GOP can end it at their peril.

[Justice]

14. GOP would have to control House, Senate and WH to pass through draconian legislation.

[pecosbob]

16. It would appear that enjoying a majority on the SC allows them to legislate from the Bench

whether or not they get a single Congressional or Senatorial vote...exactly what they have accused the Democratic Party of doing for over fifty years now.

[Aepps22]

17. Eliminate it to Reform the Court

I have no confidence that this current illegitimate court wouldn't just deem the codification of roe unconstitutional. I would like us to get rid of it to reform the court by including term limits, a code of ethics for the court and increasing the number of seats. Then we bring up cases involving abortion, voting rights and other issues and let the new court undo the damage.

[David__77]

18. At no time since the 80s have Republicans had such a majority.

And it is totally reasonable for people to conclude that likewise at no point did Democrats have a majority willing to codify Roe.