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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is the pefect day for Trump to announce his candidacy for president? The Fourth.
Trump is chomping at the bit. Each day of the hearings is driving him even more insane.
Trump knows his support is slipping while DeSantis is increasing his popularity. He probably feels he should announce SOON.
Trump has a pro-wrestling mentality. When would a pro-wrestler announce? When the fireworks are exploding in the sky behind him.
I have a hard time believing that the Fourth is not the day.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)we can kiss goodbye any chance of an indictment. They will be afraid it will look "partisan", and that just cannot be allowed to happen.
global1
(25,252 posts)an excuse to get out of being held accountable?
A criminal is a criminal is a criminal. It is even worse that this guy was supposedly the president of the U.S..
He must be held accountable. He hosted a coup to steal the election away from Biden.
He's treasonous!!!
How could we let him wiggle out of accountability?
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)by us common folks where there was so much hand-wringing about the need to prove "criminal intent" and "knowing what you were doing was illegal".
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)because he has declared himself a perpetual political candidate
"Why, that would be COMMUNISM," wrote Justice Thomas
sop
(10,192 posts)"The policy has remained remarkably similar across administrations. Whether prosecutors read the memo issued in 2008 by Attorney General Michael Mukasey, or 2012 by Attorney General Eric Holder, or 2016 by Attorney General Loretta Lynch, they read virtually similar guidance. All three memos were issued early (March or April) in the election year, bore the same title ('Election Year Sensitivities') and contained the same two sections in the same order: one that addressed the 'Investigation and Prosecution of Election Crimes' and one that addressed the Hatch Act, a federal law prohibiting executive branch employees from engaging in partisan political activity under certain circumstances."
"Those three memoranda all state that Justice Department employees 'may never select the timing of investigative steps or criminal charges for the purpose of affecting any election, or for the purpose of giving an advantage or disadvantage to any candidate or political party.' They also encourage prosecutors to contact the Public Integrity Section of the Criminal Division for further guidance regarding 'the timing of charges or overt investigative steps near the time of a primary or general election.'"
https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-departments-policy-against-election-interference-open-abuse
Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)Otherwise, we are not in a presidential election year until 2024... And certainly not near it until Sept, 2024. So... Why would it kick in now?
sop
(10,192 posts)No formal, national deadline exists to declare a run for president. Candidates must meet a variety of state-specific filing requirements, ballot access requirements and deadlines to appear on each state's ballot well in advance of primaries, caucuses, and the general election to get on the election ballot.
The time frame for the DOJ policy is unclear. Normally election season begins after Labor Day, though the "election interference" rule can also apply to the primaries. By the time the DOJ gets around to completing its investigation, convening a grand jury and making a decision whether to prosecute Trump, it could be primary season. And once Trump declares and starts campaigning in the primaries, the rule would probably be enforced at the DOJ.
Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)"And once Trump declares and starts campaigning in the primaries, the rule would probably be enforced at the DOJ."
There is no evidence for this... The guideline has always used September as the cutoff, not for prosecutions or investigations but for announcing investigations, so as not to interfere with the election. This does not mean anything going on would be cancelled. As to it taking effect once an announcement is made, we know that is not true for this DOJ... They just arrested a Michigan GOP gubernatorial candidate, Ryan Kelley.
sop
(10,192 posts)AG Bill Barr updated the "Sensitivities" memo in 2020:
"Attorney General William Barr has issued new restrictions on opening investigations into politically sensitive individuals or entities, including a requirement that he approve any inquiry into a presidential candidate or campaign."
"Barr outlined the new policies in a three-page memo obtained by NPR as the Democratic primaries are underway and the country gears up for November's presidential vote. The memo was first reported by The New York Times."
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/06/803506238/attorney-general-barr-issues-new-rules-for-politically-sensitive-investigations
(Lawfareblog) "In February 2020, Barr issued a memorandum with a different focus, though he cited the three previous election memoranda approvingly and noted that new requirements for opening sensitive investigations would be 'in addition to all existing policies.'"
"But for all this continuity, ambiguities remain. When does the policy kick inthat is, what constitutes an act 'near the time' of an election? Does that mean 60 days before an election? 90 days? After Labor Day? The exclusion period is not specified, nor would that be a simple thing to do."
https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-departments-policy-against-election-interference-open-abuse
Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)Do you have any reason to believe President Biden's DOJ will treat it any different? It also shows that even under Barr it did not preclude any investigation, just the announcement... I see no reason either would change.
sop
(10,192 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)We'll just disregard all evidence to the contrary because the memo is not specific as to a date and go with that
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)But I think you are more likely correct.
There is no February 31st............oooohhhh...
lol
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)peggysue2
(10,830 posts)July 4th gives him a dramatic background and provides the symbolism of the Great Leader returning to save the Nation from the leftie hordes.
He gets to raise money for the effort and beat DeSantis to the punch. A twofer!
There's also the belief (according to anonymous sources, of course) that an early announcement would buffer his legal liability, that any indictment would be viewed as a purely political act, thereby minimizing its success.
Just another reminder that The Orange Slug puts himself first in all things.
yorkster
(1,497 posts)Or maybe the Twelfth of Never.
Stuart G
(38,434 posts)nolabear
(41,986 posts)So you know it has to be true.
samplegirl
(11,480 posts)Hell no! Its my birthday!