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Sun Jul 3, 2022, 10:15 AM

why we democrats lose the messaging

Whenever the going gets tough, we tear at each other instead of standing behind and supporting the president.

Case in point, MSNBC hosts, especially weekend hosts have guests on their shows going on about how democrats weren't prepared for the overturning of Roe vs Wade, how the president is somehow not waving a magic wand and fix this or that, how we are not getting rid of filibuster and a plethora of other simplistic suggestions like it's just a matter of doing this or that.

They are oblivious to the fact that the votes are not there and until we get more senators and hold the house, there is very little that can be done short of saturating the airwaves with get out the votes messages and reminding people what the GOP now stands for.

On the other side, you have a huge network of right wing media (Fox, OAN, radio , etc..) who are all pushing in the same direction to support the MAGATS.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 10:40 AM

1. Ronnie Raygun gave them the 11th commandment. Thought shall not speak

I'll of another Republican. We need something similar.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 10:46 AM

3. (D)emocrats

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 10:57 AM

4. MSNBC (COMCAST)

is owned and managed by domestic oligarchs. The 2 major shareholders are Vanguard and BlackRock.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:08 AM

5. TV pundits are paid to entertain the rabble with a constant barrage of words and sentences

that end in exclamation points. After a while, every one of them, even those you may like, will drive you crazy.

I try to limit myself to 1 or 2 hours a day of MSNBC or else I find myself yelling at the screen.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:17 AM

7. In 2014, Mark Udall tried to make Colorado voters aware of the threats to women's rights.

For his efforts, he was derided as "Mark Uterus", told he focused too much on women's issues, and voters replaced him with the odious Cory Gardner. Fortunately, we came to our senses and booted Gardner in 2020. But, Gardner was there to vote to install all 3 of TFGs Federalist nominations, including the stolen seat, the party boy, and Aunt Lydia.

I don't see how you can get more cause & effect than that.

It's tempting to blame media, and Denver Post's inexplicable endorsement of Gardner probably played a role. But, unfortunately, Democrats have never been as laser-focused on their set of issues like Republicans (I mean Fascists). They spent 40 years to get this country where we're at today. Can we reclaim it in another 40?

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:20 AM

8. I don't think it's too much to ask to expect an action plan beyond "donate to us and vote"

communicated immediately and resolutely after something we knew was going to happen actually happened. There's lost messaging right there.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:27 AM

9. I think the plan is pretty clear.

As a matter of fact, all you have to do is look at the bills we passed in the house that ended up dying in the senate. John Lewis voting rights act, women's rights act and many others.
So yes, the plan is to break the logjam in the senate to make all of these happen.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:37 AM

10. Recommended.

Interesting OP/thread. I agree and, to an extent, respectfully disagree.

I don't think it would be wise to become mono-messaging. I think it is okay to disagree, from time to time, with any politician, as opposed to the republican line that, for example, Trump has never done wrong. But I do think there is a way to do it, without being destructive.

As far as MSNBC goes, I'm not sure that copying the Fox/Q propaganda model is something to hope for. Certainly, it is imperfect, and some of the attempts to present "both sides" are obnoxious. Yet there can be a distinct advantage in comparing a clean glass of water to a glass of sludge.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:47 AM

11. there is nuance indeed

I think what makes it harder for us democrats is that we have several audiences . There are those who are following politics closely and with which nuance and constructive criticism is a good thing.
The audience that makes us win election in swing states is less focused on the nitty gritty on how things can or can't get done, they see the end result.
If our messaging is not clear and focused then we lose this audience. The GOP approach is simpler since they are not driven by making good policies. Instead they identify a controversial topic and shift all their messaging to exploit it to get elected.

In my state of Virginia this is exactly what Youngkin did. He went full steam with the CRT nonsense and it worked.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:20 PM

13. Valid points.

There is also a difference within those that follow politics closely, and those who understand what is possible versus what is desired. I encounter intelligent, caring people who say, "If President Biden would just _____." Ah, if it was that easy! I try explaining that when I served on the local school board, I had many good people who said, "If you would just _____." And many good ideas, but without a real understanding of how even a small town school board runs. That's among the reasons I think education is so important as an on-going thing.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 11:58 AM

12. This is simple. Think of slogans like....

Lock her up!
Build that wall!
Make America Great!
Fake news!

-vs-

Build Back Better


Which slogans make sense to the average low information voter and whom can they match to the party?

Republicans just have catchy phrases. Democrats explain way too much.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:24 PM

14. Good Advice For All THe Yammers Tossing PJB To The Wind

too old, hasn't done enough, he doesn't care when I stamp my feet

He has faced a mountain of problem that have confronted this country and done better than most could or would and do we hear even a whisper of applause. I have no respect for those Dems who say they won't support him next time around. What are they doing except running their mouths?

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:38 PM

15. spot on

Dems need to collectivize and start throwing elbows, playing nice needs to end now.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:40 PM

16. Democrats have a wide coalition with different interests so no one message fits all

Republicans interests are getting elected at all costs by opposing Democrats, and that almost always comes by coming up with one message exaggerating some policy associated with Democrats-- lately said policy tends to be a fringe policy that a very liberal group has promoted like "defund the police." That's why Repulblicans have become primarily culture warriors.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2022, 12:42 PM

17. I keep beating the drum for messaging. DNC is taking their time.

Earlier on, Jaime Harrison came out with "Fear, Fraud and Fascism"
Not bad. Heard it once. That is all.

Pre the Supreme Coup, I suggested these:
Guilt, Grift, and Goodfellas serve the time when I do the crime.


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Every Accusation is a Confession
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216777247

The "Election Integrity" grift is pure felony theft.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216813088


Some Republicans felt ‘duped’ by Team Trump’s fake electors plot
And they may pay a price for their complicity.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/republicans-felt-duped-team-trumps-fake-electors-plot-rcna34780
“We were kind of useful idiots or rubes at that point,” said Robert Sinners, a former Trump campaign staffer, adding he now feels he was misled about the effort. “I’m angry because I think, in a sense, no one really cared if people were potentially putting themselves in jeopardy.”


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