Take a deep breath.

[kentuck]

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With the work of the J6 Committee, do you feel like we are finally over the worst of it? They are getting the truth out to the majority of Americans.

For years, it has felt like a daily attack upon us individually, as so many turned a blind eye to what was happening, and the danger that was straight in front of them.

It seems like justice has been awakened from a long slumber, even though they have been very busy charging the people that attacked our country. It was like a "terrorist" attack.

Perhaps it is only me, but I feel like we are finally going in the right direction, however slightly.

[lark]

1. Help us J6 committee, you are our only hope.

That's close to how I feel. I think that & womens' ability to make medical decisions regarding her own body are 1 and 1A reasons I have any hope at all that we won't be a completely fascist nation in all but name by 2024.

[BlueGreenLady]

2. Yes and the Bannon guilty verdict

Also helps give a sense that justice might prevail.

[orthoclad]

3. Trump might be done, but

they have DeSantis and Abbott waiting in the wings, and the Supreme Court to hear the appeals.

Not to be too negative -- it's wonderful that they're shining a light and turning over rocks, but it's too soon to relax. We still have the Million Militia crowd who prefer bullets over ballots.

A large part of the problem is that much of the insurrection was an inside job, from the Capitol cops who opened barriers and posed for selfies (remember those pics and vids?), to the Secret Service, to the Defense Department cronies, to the congress-critters. Most of these are still holding office and rank, and many of them carry guns and have arrest power. The committee is starting to hold their feet to the fire (like the Hawley run video), but I keep wondering about the Cap cops who betrayed their fellows and assisted the mob. AOC's been wondering about that, too. She says she doesn't feel safe at the Capitol.

Let's keep our eyes on the deeper threat. Follow the money. Watch the oligarchs.

[Novara]

11. Do you know for sure it was Capitol cops who posed for selfies?

There were uniformed secret service members there that day as well. It could have been them and one of the reasons they destroyed evidence (yes, let's call it what it is. It isn't "deleting texts." It's the destruction of evidence).

[orthoclad]

13. I saw a picture

of a uniformed officer with a rioter.

Here's one source:
[link:https://www.officer.com/investigations/research/news/21238339/records-capitol-police-officers-took-selfies-with-jan-6-rioters|
The officer claimed he was posing for the pic so the rioter could be identified, but he never brought it up to his supervisor until the FBI investigated.
"recommended disciplinary action against six officers following 38 internal investigations"

Snopes, with links: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/capitol-police-selfie/
"...said the officer who took the selfie was suspended from his duties, according to a Politico reporter. Another officer who wore Trump’s “Make America Great Again” cap during the riot also faced suspension."

This is just from skimming the first two results of a quick search.

I saw a video of two officers opening a barricade and letting the mob through.

[Novara]

14. The rot is everywhere

[orthoclad]

17. It's not only rot, but also

a well-executed long game.
The right wing has been busy for decades, recruiting from various LEO forces and inserting members of groups like militias.

Some of it is the rot spreading through the population.
Some of it is deliberate.
These intersect.

[tulipsandroses]

4. I wish I could share your optimism

The good thing about Chump’s rise to power, is that it forced many to take their blinders off. Wake up to the reality that a high percentage of this country, does not believe in democracy, is more racist, bigoted misogynistic than they ever thought.

We have a runaway Supreme Court. Voter Suppression and so much more.
I certainly do not think justice has been awakened.

The Jan 6 committee has done a great job. But they are not going to change the minds of the most dangerous among us.

[Firestorm49]

5. "They won't change the minds of the most dangerous among us"

True. I also think that although we may see some civil unrest in the not too distant future, that there are not as many of them as we think. I also believe that if not corrupted already, the three letter agencies are hard at work identifying terrorist groups, infiltrating them, intercepting their calls, texts, emails in order to quell an uprising, should it occur.

The biggest question is, which side are the three letter agencies on?

[orthoclad]

9. The 3 letter agencies

have been "burrowed in". I think there are many internal conflicts there, but there has been a sustained effort to fill agencies (especially the armed ones) with right-wingers. The agencies have been retreating under pressure since Ruby Ridge and Waco.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. The proof is in the elections

and clamping down on lying right wing media.

[Beastly Boy]

7. Not by a long shot

To quote Churchill, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. We have the diagnosis for a previously unknown affliction. The J6 committee is meticulously documenting the symptoms of the affliction. DOJ is in the process of trial testing (both literally and figuratively) a treatment for this affliction. It is unknown whether the trial will wield desired results, but even in the best case scenario, Trump and the insurrection are just symptoms, not the disease itself. In this respect, I think Bannon is more dangerous than Trump, and the fledgling network of global neo-fascist populist movements is more dangerous than Bannon. No telling now who our next American Mussolini might turn out to be.

[CrispyQ]

8. I will wait & see what kind of voter turnout we have in November.

Can we match or outdo 2018? We absolutely must if we are going to save our country.

[Vinca]

10. It's the right direction, but unless those at the top of the plot are held accountable, nothing

will change. Throwing a few Proud Boy/Oathkeeper losers in prison isn't going to do it.

[Novara]

12. "Justice" is only a concept ...

... unless we have a supreme court populated by justices who look like America and whom we can trust. As long as the highest court in the land is filled with a non-representative, disproportionate number of religious fanatics who can't understand the Establishment Clause, we cannot have justice in this country. We are heading towards the theocratic fascism the founders of our country came here precisely to avoid.

Precedent my ass.

[EndlessWire]

15. Are you kidding?

This isn't near over. I know there are a lot of blowhard Repubs who love to run their mouths and create fear. But, they are telling us what to expect if they ever regain power, and it ain't pretty! Some of us may have to consider what other country to move to just in case.

I won't be satisfied until Trump is made to walk the plank. The Repub party has got to be nullified, and that can't happen with Trump running amok. And, Steve Bannon's conviction is hardly a sign of justice turning around. Not when you have to have the J6 Committee urging Garland to please commence prosecuting Trump. Why do they have to do that? What is Justice doing to prosecute Trump?

I agree, the last four or five years have been rough and chaotic. Trump effed up our Government, and it will take years to root out the corruption. We had Bannon, but he received that damned pardon; well, I hope the Judge considers that pardon as a confession of criminality, and gives him a sentence that will take him out of the Midterm broadcasts. But, probably not! I mean, on a personal note, that guy is like the portrait of Dorian Grey...

I don't see any improvement until most of these Republican congressmen age out of the system. Maybe, just maybe, some of the Citizens who voted for Trump won't switch to DeSantos, or Abbott, or whomever else they dredge up to run against our Dem candidate. They, too, might be weary. Maybe they want a better life, a calmer life, a more productive life that doesn't include oppressing their neighbors and those that are just different. Maybe they'll grow up, or maybe climate change will force them to cooperate. But, I dunno.

Maybe they'll decide that they need to sleep with women, and stop treating women like cattle. Dunno about that either.

But, it isn't over. Not only is it not over, but we need to rev up for a great fight over Midterms. If we don't win, the Repubs are going to create more havoc than we can stand. Take a deep breath. I know, every time we try to turn to stuff like climate change, taking care of the poor, or fighting the various viruses, the Repubs pop up with something horrendous.

But, look around. Who in Congress, guys that we know participated in the J6 coup attempt, is going to jail? And, we have been patient, but what is Garland doing to charge Trump? Saying that DOJ is pursuing all criminals involved means nothing. Just, nothing.

I read somewhere in all the linkage that we still lacked a vital piece of evidence to charge Trump with sedition. But, the J6 committee doesn't see it that way. What is Garland waiting for? Ah, I know, he wants to avoid the stain of the DOJ enforcing the law around an election. That's what the problem is.

I think that the J6 Committee has something up their sleeve for August, but that's the timetable. August or at the latest September.

[kentuck]

16. Well, Cheney does have a little thing called a primary in August.

Win or lose, she will come back ready to put the hammer down, in my opinion.

Garland does not have to treat all the Trump flunkies the way he might treat a former president? I think he will appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate Trump further, and try to get it out of politics as much as possible.

Just my opinion.

[EndlessWire]

19. What worked before won't work now.

First, it's not up to her to decide if Trump gets prosecuted. The J6 is gathering evidence. Sure, she needs to take care of business, but there is no reason that the J6 can't refer Trump's Crime Family to the DOJ for prosecution. That's what it's there for. Referral to, well, Garland, since he issued a repeat memo to remember to maintain the dignity of the DOJ by NOT prosecuting anyone around the upcoming election and to run things through him.

How convenient for these punks? I, also, do not envision Trump getting prosecuted, because traditionally we do not prosecute Presidents. There is no chance in hell that he will ever wear an orange jumpsuit or pace in a cell. THAT'S NOT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN. All we can hope for is to save our country from fascism.

The biggest mistake we ever made was to elect this pr*ck as President. He's a mob boss. He envisions himself as a Dictator. He has no morals, no empathy, no cares about anybody but himself and what he can gain for himself. He's evil.

A special prosecutor will start over on day one, and it will take a long, long time to set it up. This situation is unique; I just don't see a special prosecutor taking over the responsibility from Garland in time to save our country.

[orthoclad]

18. Midterms...

Consider this: when the Dominionist Court returns in October, they will rule on a case which could give state legislatures the power to run and interpret elections as they see fit. States' Rights (where have we heard this before?).

I very much fear that, by the midterms, the popular vote will be (even more) irrelevant. The long slow coup will reach another milestone.

I wish we could act FAST to fix the Dominionist Court. Impeach, investigate, expand, whatever. If we can't do that, we need to mobilize an army of voting facilitators and observers to match the one the right wing has. The right wing has been telegraphing their intentions for years -- every accusation is a confession.