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Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
Thu Jul 28, 2022, 12:57 PM Jul 2022

Liberal Ideas: Medicare, Social Security, Obamacare, Seat Belts, No Smoking Places.. proposed by ?

by Republicans ...............................or Us Democrats?

And what did those ideas do for people?...Can you answer that one?

If not, you need to take a nap......... ..........

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Liberal Ideas: Medicare, Social Security, Obamacare, Seat Belts, No Smoking Places.. proposed by ? (Original Post) Stuart G Jul 2022 OP
Originally proposed by progressives and adopted by the Democratic Party. Gaugamela Jul 2022 #1
Thank You for your insight. Stuart G Jul 2022 #2
Names please. nt DURHAM D Jul 2022 #3
Pretty much common knowledge, but here ya go: Gaugamela Jul 2022 #4
It was Democrats who were the decision makers. DURHAM D Jul 2022 #5
Nice try. Gaugamela Jul 2022 #6

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
4. Pretty much common knowledge, but here ya go:
Thu Jul 28, 2022, 02:50 PM
Jul 2022
Seat Belts: Ralph Nader

Social Security: Francis Perkins. FDR took most of the ideas for the New Deal from socialists and labor activist groups who had been talking about these things for decades.

“Feminism means revolution and I am a revolutionist.”
-- Frances Perkins

“The people are what matter to government, and a government should aim to give all the people under its jurisdiction the best possible life.”
-- Frances Perkins

https://www.inspiringquotes.us/author/1187-frances-perkins


Medicare was enacted by LBJ, but came out of the same progressive tradition as Social Security.

Obamacare is more a market oriented compromise and partial solution to the healthcare insurance crisis that came from the Heritage Foundation https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/. I didn't want to start a quarrelsome thread so I elided that point. The progressive solution would be Medicare for All, which progressives have been talking about for decades, and which has had widespread popular support but wasn't part of the "official" debate until Bernie Sanders upstaged everyone on the issue in 2016.

This is from 2010:
“It didn’t have ‘political support,’ just the support of the majority of the population,” Chomsky quipped, “which apparently is not political support in our dysfunctional democracy.”

The provision has consistently polled well, garnering the support of 60 percent of Americans across the nation in a CBS/New York Times poll released in December, days after it was eliminated from the reform package. Democratic leaders deemed it politically untenable.

“There should be headlines explaining why, for decades, what’s been called politically impossible is what most of the public has wanted,” Chomsky said. “There should be headlines explaining what that means about the political system and the media.”

https://fair.org/uncategorized/noam-chomsky-on-healthcare-and-the-media/


In principle, political change, by definition, comes from progressives, not status quo accommodationists. Positive change comes from the bottom up, not the top down. It starts with progressive activists and incubates and grows until the party leaders can't ignore it anymore. Slavery, labor, the 19th Amendment, SS, civil rights, Medicare, the anti-war movement.

BTW, I'm not sure why I'm doing your homework for you. If you take issue with what someone says, then you should bring the data, names, or links. Isn't that right? Simply challenging anything you don't like with "do you have data on that" or "names please" is pretty glib and lazy.



DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
5. It was Democrats who were the decision makers.
Thu Jul 28, 2022, 03:05 PM
Jul 2022

Progressive came into use in 2003 -04 to try and describe a few members of the party. Then as now it does not mean anything.

I am a Democrat.

Nice insults.





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