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(37,410 posts)
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 09:44 AM Jul 2022

The Federalists are whining

Last edited Fri Jul 29, 2022, 10:22 AM - Edit history (1)

Democrats Are Dangerously Close To Changing Laws So Our President Is Elected By Popular Vote

they say

Minority and Less Populated Areas Would Lack Representation
However, what is not fair is that if the president is elected based on a plurality, then the minority would not have a chance of having their candidate elected. Damn ,I always thought it was majority rule.

In Federalist Paper 68, Alexander Hamilton wrote, “the process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of the president will never fall with a lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue and a little arts of popularity may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first owners of a single state, but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole union.” Hamilton would have been appalled today to have witnessed the travesty undermining his sentiment.

Really and the loser was qualified.

An Oppressive Majority
It matters because the idea of a national popular vote is gaining steam and if adopted by enough states, the Electoral College will become irrelevant. Minority voter interests will no longer matter at the national level. Only the whims of the majority will. And the result will be precisely why Socrates opposed a democratic form of government. Once a majority is established, it finds a way to remain permanent, and the majority class will become oppressive to the minority class. There will be no means to overturn the majority, no matter how skewed the majority’s view may be.

I love this part that is simply the Republican message by using gerrymandering they squeeze out minorities and establish themselves as a majority. Aren't we now held hostage to this in the Senate.

The left’s all-out assault has become abundantly clear since President Joe Biden took office. As soon as Democrats attained the presidency and the narrowest of majorities in the House and Senate, they pressed forward with their agenda, nearly unimpeded had it not been for the likes of Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., and perhaps divine intervention.

Wow, are they saying that these two cooperated with them?

I recall my founder and local Gov. George Clinton didn't trust the Federalists, he was right look what they have done to buy SCOTUS seats.


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(2,133 posts)
1. I've been against the electoral college since 1972
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 09:50 AM
Jul 2022

when I was in Poli Sci. I deemed it a catastrophe waiting to happen. I have always thought that it suppresses the vote. What you end up with are candidates that become hostages to a bout 6 states. Imagine if w either the republican or the democratic candidates decided to campaign in Texas or California to get 2 additional points to their total. It makes the candidates much more responsive to the people


(5,263 posts)
4. I've been pushing a double-representative model
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 10:37 AM
Jul 2022

1 Expand the electoral college to reflect the number of registered voters in the state
2 Allot the electors originally to the votes in that state.

This would allow minor parties some representation, but would not allow a state like Kentucky to have more Republican votes than voters.



(2,133 posts)
5. If you want to get an accurate representation in congress
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 10:57 AM
Jul 2022

You take the last twenty years of voting and the party that wins gets x amount of legislators reflecting the presidential vote.

For instance 13 congress people Republican win 51-49. They get 7 reps and dems get 6.



(33,643 posts)
2. You should format this post in a way that makes it more clear what your own interjections are
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 09:57 AM
Jul 2022

vs. what's actually in the article.

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