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peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 10:53 AM Jul 2022

Some Very Good News Out of PA, This Time From Fox News

As the countdown continues, polling for the Governor and Senate races in Pennsylvania are turning decisively toward our Democratic candidates. These upticks are despite the headwinds every pundit and political journalist have harped on: economic factors, low approval numbers for President Biden and historical precedent. We still have 100+ days to go until Election Day but running fringe and/or carpetbaggers for office has it's downside.

According to Fox polling:

Shapiro is 10 pts up over Mastriano clocking in at 50-40%

Fetterman is 11 pts up over OZ pulling 47-36%

Still early but the winds have shifted.

Btw, just read that Mastriano is ditching his buddy from Gab. Appears the antisemitic, overall fascist lean isn't playing well among PA's electorate.



https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pa-2022-poll-fetterman-oz-shapiro-mastriano-senate-gov-20220729.html

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Some Very Good News Out of PA, This Time From Fox News (Original Post) peggysue2 Jul 2022 OP
Good news, but a lot of time left...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #1
Yup! peggysue2 Jul 2022 #2
Indeed! nt Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #3
Yes.. that's true// Steadu as upi GO Dems! Cha Jul 2022 #48
If those numbers hold through Sept 15 I'll feel really good bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #4
Agreed! peggysue2 Jul 2022 #13
I told a friend who turned Trumper almost a year ago bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #14
I just escaped Tennessee peggysue2 Jul 2022 #20
only reason not up 15 pts is talk radio and penn st support 11 xLimbaugh stations! certainot Jul 2022 #54
Great news, if accurate. I don't put much stock in polls. Not after 2016. Mousetoescamper Jul 2022 #5
About the only thing that fox news is accurate on is their polling organization JohnSJ Jul 2022 #6
People are starting to pay attention PatSeg Jul 2022 #7
they need to run as if they're 10 points behind. VOTER APATHY MAKES US LOSE dsp3000 Jul 2022 #8
Indeed! peggysue2 Jul 2022 #17
You know what causes voter apathy...the believe that we can't win and why bother. I have seen Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #37
Oh yes, Shapiro and Fetterman will both win by double digits FakeNoose Jul 2022 #9
Indeed. But don't count the votes before they're counted. calimary Jul 2022 #11
All this is going to do is cause the GOP to start red baiting Democrats Warpy Jul 2022 #10
They're already baiting peggysue2 Jul 2022 #19
It is not going to work with Fetterman...they tired it before and failed. Consider that Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #30
I don't expect it to work either, Demsrule peggysue2 Jul 2022 #40
Fetterman ran statewide before...in a primary for Lieutenant Governor and with Wolf in Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #42
It's one reason I'm asking people Warpy Jul 2022 #46
That is great! Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #52
We need to keep hitting back with "These radical MAGA Republicans are going to end Social GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #38
Agreed! peggysue2 Jul 2022 #41
Good. Fuck Mastriano! Initech Jul 2022 #12
He's running for governor thooooo greenjar_01 Jul 2022 #23
Oz is running for senate Sugarcoated Jul 2022 #24
D'oh. Brain fart. Initech Jul 2022 #25
Mastriano just dropped his sponsor, not his beliefs. Schmice3 Jul 2022 #15
Undoubtedly! peggysue2 Jul 2022 #21
We're in a strong position wryter2000 Jul 2022 #16
Exactly right! peggysue2 Jul 2022 #22
And imagine wryter2000 Jul 2022 #29
That would be an added garnish peggysue2 Jul 2022 #31
K&R spanone Jul 2022 #18
If they are leading this much in PA...?? kentuck Jul 2022 #26
They are concerned peggysue2 Jul 2022 #27
Cortez Masto is up by 3 points...but too close! I am going to send her some money. It is Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #35
Tim Ryan is leading Vance in Ohio! Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #32
Tim Ryan is pulling out all the stops peggysue2 Jul 2022 #43
Not necessarily, these two are really poor candidates for PA Amishman Jul 2022 #34
+1000 Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #44
My experience with rural Pennsylvania is ..... jaxexpat Jul 2022 #28
I lived in Matamoras PA and that is what I found too. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #33
Agreed, rural PA is mostly cultural conservatives Amishman Jul 2022 #36
Yep. I also don't think they're going to tolerate Mehmet serving in the Turkish Army... SMC22307 Jul 2022 #60
Oz and Mastriano are so bad and Fetterman and Shapiro are exceptional. twodogsbarking Jul 2022 #39
Good news, but it will tighten up considerably before Nov Dopers_Greed Jul 2022 #45
So well written PeggySue! I Cha Jul 2022 #47
Awww . . . thank you, girlfriend. peggysue2 Jul 2022 #49
Does Mastriano Even Know How Mussolini Cha Jul 2022 #50
All these people think it will be different this time around peggysue2 Jul 2022 #51
Yes it is good, Peggy Sue! Cha Jul 2022 #55
I would like to see fellow Trumpsters Mastriano and Oz support each other. keithbvadu2 Jul 2022 #53
Mitt did. czarjak Jul 2022 #56
How long does a Republican need to ditch an openly anti-Semitic "ally" in PA? DFW Jul 2022 #57
Mastriano is a trump clone The Jungle 1 Jul 2022 #58
Link to actual poll data Deminpenn Jul 2022 #59
Kick Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #61

Cha

(294,818 posts)
48. Yes.. that's true// Steadu as upi GO Dems!
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 06:36 PM
Jul 2022

Focus!
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

bucolic_frolic

(42,204 posts)
4. If those numbers hold through Sept 15 I'll feel really good
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jul 2022

PA does not usually have volatility. A trend is a trend and stays that way my friend.

I would not translate these results to other states. GQP are running fascist carpetbaggers here. They are exceptionally bad candidates. Fetterman is a statewide office holder and popular. Shapiro is running a smart, bold almost New Deal type platform. The question might be why they're not up 15 points.

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
13. Agreed!
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 12:23 PM
Jul 2022

Once we shift into 'After Labor Day' mode, we'll all have a better sense of where the campaigns are truly headed. I'm expecting a much tighter race.

Btw, I share your take on--why aren't they up 15 points? Oz is bad enough, a rank opportunist who has flip-flopped on every issue. I'm sure he thought he would glide to victory by leaning into his celebrity status and hanging onto his buddy Trump's diminishing coattails.

Mastriano, however, is a true horror, an avowed White Christian Nationalist and all around bigot. His plans for Pennsylvania are nightmarish. I said on another site that I'm not sure what is worse: Mastriano, the man, or the voters who support a full-blown fascist.

Both these men must be defeated.

bucolic_frolic

(42,204 posts)
14. I told a friend who turned Trumper almost a year ago
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 12:25 PM
Jul 2022

if Mastriano wins I will leave the state, hopefully before he takes office

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
20. I just escaped Tennessee
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 12:44 PM
Jul 2022

We moved back to PA in late August, 2021.

I was in utter disbelief that a creature like Mastriano won his primary. Which is a reminder that there are no safe havens from the fringe of the ugly fringe contingent.

We fight them here. We fight them everywhere.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
54. only reason not up 15 pts is talk radio and penn st support 11 xLimbaugh stations!
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 12:50 AM
Jul 2022

it's fucking idiotic dem activist groups in the state aren't raising shit about penn state supporting 11 RW radio stations

PENNSYLVANIA 14 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1

Mousetoescamper

(2,799 posts)
5. Great news, if accurate. I don't put much stock in polls. Not after 2016.
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 11:20 AM
Jul 2022

No time for complacency! Volunteer for a phone bank, neighborhood canvassing, donate to our candidates, vote and encourage others to vote for Democrats.

Demsrule86

(68,039 posts)
37. You know what causes voter apathy...the believe that we can't win and why bother. I have seen
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 02:44 PM
Jul 2022

very little of this.

FakeNoose

(32,089 posts)
9. Oh yes, Shapiro and Fetterman will both win by double digits
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 11:38 AM
Jul 2022

But we Dems still need to get out the vote no matter what. We need to show big numbers in the midterms.

This is for Joe Biden to have a successful showing, he needs the House and Senate passing his programs before 2024. It's only going to happen when we elect our candidates to Congress.

Pennsylvania will do its part, I promise!



calimary

(80,219 posts)
11. Indeed. But don't count the votes before they're counted.
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 11:49 AM
Jul 2022

It’s still a long time til the election.

Stay strong, Pennsylvania Dems!

Warpy

(110,580 posts)
10. All this is going to do is cause the GOP to start red baiting Democrats
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 11:39 AM
Jul 2022

You know the drill, we're all secret socialists who are really communists and can't be trusted to keep America safe for god, guns, and apple pie.

Those guys are nothing if not utterly predictable.

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
19. They're already baiting
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 12:38 PM
Jul 2022

Oz is running 'soft on crime' ads against Fetterman and calling him an avowed socialist holding hands with Bernie Sanders.

As you said, it's the same old, wearisome playbook.

Demsrule86

(68,039 posts)
30. It is not going to work with Fetterman...they tired it before and failed. Consider that
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 02:24 PM
Jul 2022

Fetterman beat a sitting Lieutenant Governor in a primary and then ran with Wolf in one of the most successful campaigns in PA history. He was a great Lieutenant Governor too...you should watch some of the clips.

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
40. I don't expect it to work either, Demsrule
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 03:47 PM
Jul 2022

But there's no doubt that Oz and his campaign will start throwing anything/everything at the wall to see what sticks. Oz tried the 'everyman' schtick; that was both lame and laughable.

It's going to get ugly. Do I think Fetterman is ready for it?

Yes, indeed.

Demsrule86

(68,039 posts)
42. Fetterman ran statewide before...in a primary for Lieutenant Governor and with Wolf in
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 04:07 PM
Jul 2022

the General...they won easily. I saw the pic of Fetterman dressed like Sanders but...Oz is a dual citizen...who voted in Turkey...all politics aside, he should not even be allowed to run for the Senate in my opinion. Also, Oz doesn't live in PA and consider what happened to Santorum when it was discovered he didn't live in PA...and used the money from PA to homeschool his kids...and he was a sitting Senator. So I think the fact that Fetterman is who he says he is will blunt the usual GOP bullshit.

Warpy

(110,580 posts)
46. It's one reason I'm asking people
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 06:06 PM
Jul 2022

if they're voting for the Democrats or the Russians.

It is making them think.

GoodRaisin

(8,836 posts)
38. We need to keep hitting back with "These radical MAGA Republicans are going to end Social
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 02:46 PM
Jul 2022

Security and Medicare” ads and keep pounding that message until election day.

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
41. Agreed!
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 04:03 PM
Jul 2022

Rick Scott let the cat out of the bag when he announced his Nightmare for America. And put the plan in writing, no less. Little wonder why McConnell refused to offer an agenda 'until Republicans held the majority.'

If current surveys are correct, the 65+ voters are getting the message; the GOP is losing ground with seniors.

Who would have thunk it? Promise to take away Pop and Nana's SS and healthcare and you're likely to get a reaction. Only not in a good way.

So yes, pound, pound, pound away!

Initech

(99,787 posts)
12. Good. Fuck Mastriano!
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 12:11 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Fri Jul 29, 2022, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Insurrectionist POS has no business being anywhere near the Pennsylvania governorship!

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
21. Undoubtedly!
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 12:48 PM
Jul 2022

He joined the Gab group precisely for the clicks, exposure and sentiment. Mastriano's beliefs are what they are.

The man is reacting to bad polling and lack of funding. Nothing more.

wryter2000

(45,980 posts)
16. We're in a strong position
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 12:33 PM
Jul 2022

Joe Biden isn't on the ballot. And, please, let's keep our focus on 2022, as this thread does.

We just got making chips here. We may soon have a $2000 cap on prescription drugs. The cost of gas is coming down. Unemployment is low.

They, on the other hand, have no run on forcing a 10-year-old to bear a child and denying veterans health care.

We can keep all our Senate seats and win two of theirs. Maybe more. If we keep the House we can do great things. Everyone, do your utmost to win in November.

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
22. Exactly right!
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 12:56 PM
Jul 2022

Laser focus on November is the first, crucial step. Everything else is noise at the moment.

We pull off a win in November (and PA is one of the keys to enlarging our majority), then we'll have the momentum and votes to make things happen that actually benefit Americans and ensure a democratic (small 'd') future.

Otherwise? Nightmares really can come true.

wryter2000

(45,980 posts)
29. And imagine
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 02:02 PM
Jul 2022

We prove every single pundit who said we were doomed will have to eat their words. With lots of hot sauce.

kentuck

(110,867 posts)
26. If they are leading this much in PA...??
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 01:12 PM
Jul 2022

Then it must be really bad for Republicans all over?

PA is a Trump state. One of the most Trumpist in the union, from what I have read.

If these polls are true, or even close to true, it could spell good fortune in a few other "Trumpist" states.

Republicans should be concerned.

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
27. They are concerned
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 01:19 PM
Jul 2022

What was once considered a slam-dunk for the GOP is looking pretty wobbly with these fringe candidates shooting off their mouths.

Let's hope it continues so we can push these suckers right into the Deep Blue Sea.

Without lifejackets!

Demsrule86

(68,039 posts)
35. Cortez Masto is up by 3 points...but too close! I am going to send her some money. It is
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 02:40 PM
Jul 2022

important to hold that seat (Nevada).

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
43. Tim Ryan is pulling out all the stops
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 04:07 PM
Jul 2022

People who said the man had no chance whatsoever are reconsidering their positions.

JD Vance has turned out to be a miserable campaigner. Similar to Oz, I'm sure he thought a win in Ohio would be a slam-dunk.

Not anymore.

Amishman

(5,527 posts)
34. Not necessarily, these two are really poor candidates for PA
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 02:34 PM
Jul 2022

PA is purple, with a contrary quirky electorate.

Mastriano is a poor candidate for two interlocking reasons. He's too nuts for the Independents that swing the state, and even too nuts for the states old-school republican donors. So despite Shapiro being a bit boring, Mastriano faces an uphill battle and a major funding disadvantage. Shapiro though is well established and is quite capable of running a well oiled campaign.

Oz is just a bad fit for PA. His kooky alternative medicine baggage hurts him with independents, while being Turkish and Muslim hurts him with the hard right. Plus the NJ factor and just generally being unlikeable. Fetterman has the right grit for PA voters.

jaxexpat

(6,566 posts)
28. My experience with rural Pennsylvania is .....
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 01:28 PM
Jul 2022

they're maybe unsophisticated but they don't tolerate Nazis at all.

Amishman

(5,527 posts)
36. Agreed, rural PA is mostly cultural conservatives
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 02:41 PM
Jul 2022

In my experience living here, there are few actual fascist types or even true racists.

What I do see are cultural conservatives. If you talk like them, like the same sports teams as them, drink beer and eat burgers, and go to the same church as them - they won't care if you're black, brown, or even purple. Have different values, and they'll hate you for it and think you're trying to destroy them - even if you're white too.

SMC22307

(8,087 posts)
60. Yep. I also don't think they're going to tolerate Mehmet serving in the Turkish Army...
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 11:36 AM
Jul 2022

and voting in Turkish elections. Pennsylvanians of all stripes have many reasons to vote against Dr. Quack from New Jersey.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
45. Good news, but it will tighten up considerably before Nov
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 05:30 PM
Jul 2022

We have to win these races, otherwise we're dead

Cha

(294,818 posts)
47. So well written PeggySue! I
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 06:33 PM
Jul 2022

was glued to every word.. Mahalo! GOTV for Josh Shapiro & Fetterman!

That Mastriano sounds like a freaking Fascist ****.

Focus!
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
49. Awww . . . thank you, girlfriend.
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 08:17 PM
Jul 2022

As for Mastriano? He is a freaking fascist, a Mussolini-in-waiting. Still can't believe the man won the primary.

Read an article today in the Philadelphia Inquirer about Mastriano claiming Josh Shapiro and other Democrats are threatening the lives of people like him, purposely inciting violence against those who hold different political and/or religious beliefs. He referenced Lee Zeldin, the guy scratched with a keychain. According to Mastriano that was a genuine assassination attempt.

These so-called strong men are certainly babies yowling constantly over how persecuted they are.



Focus, indeed.

Cha

(294,818 posts)
50. Does Mastriano Even Know How Mussolini
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 08:23 PM
Jul 2022

ended? Fascists who Lie their Stupid Heads Off Never end well but they Never learn from history, either.

Focus!
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

peggysue2

(10,744 posts)
51. All these people think it will be different this time around
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 08:42 PM
Jul 2022

Because they see themselves as exceptional and in Mastriano's case fully in God's grace.

But yes, all these strong-men and/or gangster types end up the same grim way but only after inflicting immense pain and suffering on their fellow citizens.

Which is why they cannot be allowed to win. Ever.

Btw, so good to cross paths again, Cha. Hope all's well.

Cha

(294,818 posts)
55. Yes it is good, Peggy Sue!
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 12:53 AM
Jul 2022

Glad you're in PA now

Mastriano types are Megalomaniacs.. like they see their "God" as their own personal servant.

Focus!
Please Fight to Save Our Democracy💙 in 2022 & 2024!

keithbvadu2

(36,091 posts)
53. I would like to see fellow Trumpsters Mastriano and Oz support each other.
Fri Jul 29, 2022, 10:13 PM
Jul 2022

I would like to see fellow Trumpsters Mastriano and Oz support each other.

Campaign for each other.

Mastriano hates Jews for not being Christians.

Does Oz get a mulligan?

DFW

(53,783 posts)
57. How long does a Republican need to ditch an openly anti-Semitic "ally" in PA?
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 05:26 AM
Jul 2022

Presumably, a candidate running for statewide office in Pennsylvania will have heard of both Philadelphia and Pittsburgh? Even the one from New Jersey?

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
58. Mastriano is a trump clone
Sat Jul 30, 2022, 06:41 AM
Jul 2022

That mastriano is doing poorly is good news for the nation.
Oz is a carpetbagger and will not win in Pa.
Fetterman is a very nice breath of cold fresh air. He is smart and has huge potential to help this nation.

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