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Sat Aug 6, 2022, 08:02 PM

Dems getting slammed for spending millions to elect MAGA

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Republicans in primary races over Republicans who voted to impeach Trump.

CNN just reported that Dems spent $44million on promoting Trump’s endorsed primary candidates. The report is really making Dems sound sinister and petty…And unprincipled.

I don’t like Dems spending campaign money like this. I can understand a few moves here and there, but, $44m dollar campaign is a major commitment to a dirty tactic.

Just my opinion, but, the way the news networks are reporting the meddling reinforces some of my discomfort with the entire strategy, though these are not ordinary times.

Your mileage may vary.

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Reply Dems getting slammed for spending millions to elect MAGA (Original post)
blm Aug 2022 OP
OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2022 #1
PortTack Aug 2022 #2
blm Aug 2022 #4
Phoenix61 Aug 2022 #3
mopinko Aug 2022 #5
H2O Man Aug 2022 #36
mopinko Aug 2022 #38
H2O Man Aug 2022 #40
Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #6
blm Aug 2022 #7
JI7 Aug 2022 #18
Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #21
blm Aug 2022 #34
NoRethugFriends Aug 2022 #8
Nevilledog Aug 2022 #9
LudwigPastorius Aug 2022 #10
MichDem10 Aug 2022 #11
blm Aug 2022 #12
H2O Man Aug 2022 #41
W_HAMILTON Aug 2022 #13
blm Aug 2022 #15
W_HAMILTON Aug 2022 #30
blm Aug 2022 #32
W_HAMILTON Aug 2022 #42
blm Aug 2022 #43
betsuni Aug 2022 #16
Tumbulu Aug 2022 #46
William769 Aug 2022 #14
betsuni Aug 2022 #17
blm Aug 2022 #19
Kid Berwyn Aug 2022 #26
ColinC Aug 2022 #20
peggysue2 Aug 2022 #22
blm Aug 2022 #23
peggysue2 Aug 2022 #25
kcr Aug 2022 #24
blm Aug 2022 #27
Kid Berwyn Aug 2022 #28
demmiblue Aug 2022 #29
H2O Man Aug 2022 #31
blm Aug 2022 #33
H2O Man Aug 2022 #35
mcar Aug 2022 #37
blm Aug 2022 #45
BannonsLiver Aug 2022 #39
traitorsgalore Aug 2022 #44

Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 08:04 PM

1. Good...hope it was effective.

Rat-fucking should not be a partisan issue.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 08:29 PM

2. The gqp do the same or worse to the Dems!

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Response to PortTack (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 08:36 PM

4. No doubt. The report spin is that Dems

can’t act self-righteous and principled now that they are devoting millions to this strategy.

I don’t mind fighting dirty, but, I know to expect the spin against Dems will always be harder than the Repubs get from media.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a40797073/democrats-back-election-denier-republican-primary-peter-meijer/

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 08:30 PM

3. Way past time for us to use whatever legal tactics we

can to win. IMHO we wouldn’t be in this mess if we’d been playing hardball all along.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 08:51 PM

5. i'm good w this- make them put that shit on the ballot.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 12:33 PM

36. That depends

upon specific races, and does not take into account unanticipated events between now and November, or potential consequences on election day.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 12:37 PM

38. in the house, a couple more nuts cant hurt.

but even before kansas, these clowns were losing in specials.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 01:08 PM

40. I think every one

of them hurts society. Not that I'm okay with any republican at this point.

I do appreciate that the art of "rat fucking" became known to the public thanks to Nixon, although it was done at a different level before then. And it did work for Dick in '72, though it came back to bite him. So there is a lesson there, beyond how it works.

I could not, in all good faith, pretend that I have never been involved in anything like that post-Nixon. On a local level, for example, there can be both benefit and pleasure found in having a volunteer pretend to favor a republlican candidate in a LTTE that pretends to support the opponent's most extreme positions .... or even more extreme positions they haven't taken. It can result in their having to explain, which rarely if ever works.

In the case at hand, I do recognize that there is the potential for good to come out of it. But I also recognize there is a very real bad potential. And I'm not really comfortable with a few people willing to roll the dice with the money a lot of people donated for something different.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 09:04 PM

6. This is what Democrats are "expected" to be...



and here is what repugs are "allowed" to be....according to the media

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 09:06 PM

7. Been like that since the 80s.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:07 AM

18. The Media thought it was Cute when Trump mocked a disabled Reporter and spews bigoted

attacks against people .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:59 AM

21. Exactly

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Response to JI7 (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 12:12 PM

34. Imagine ANY Dem getting away with that.

They’d have been forced to resign.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 09:53 PM

8. And you would bring a bobby pin to a gun fight?

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 10:00 PM

9. Republicans just looking for "permission" to vote for the worst of the worst.

"The Dems made us do it" is a crock of shit.

I would prefer that the money go to Dem candidates, but nothing the Dems did made these fascists vote for other fascists.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 10:04 PM

10. Sun Tzu was OK with it.

Therefore the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him.


...and this is war, a war for democracy and against fascism.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 10:13 PM

11. Money well spent in MI-03

I can't speak about all the money spent, but the money spent in MI-03 was more than likely a wise investment. Prior to redistricting this past year the old district that is represented by Peter Meijer (R) (pronounced my-er) was +5 to +8 republican. After redistricting the new district is now +5 democratic. It has gone from nearly unwinnable to very winnable district.

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Response to MichDem10 (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 6, 2022, 10:34 PM

12. Yes, Meier they also interviewed.

He’s the one who made the comment that Dems lost their claim of acting on principle. The reporter followed that path.

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Response to MichDem10 (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 01:11 PM

41. The "money spent"

is distinct from redistricting.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 01:38 AM

13. Stop buying into that bullshit narrative.

Here is one the ads that supposedly """promoted""" one of these Trump-backed candidates:



What would you prefer Democrats do? ACTUALLY support these fascist fuckers?

Calling these assholes out for what they are is NOT """supporting""" them. Stop propagating bullshit narratives.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 04:33 AM

15. I don't 'buy into' the narrative.

If you didn’t want to hear how it’s being reported you could have scrolled past, W. Why react so harshly to me?

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Response to blm (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:22 AM

30. Because I'm sick of so-called allies shitting on Democrats...

...ESPECIALLY when the Democrats are doing nothing wrong and it's just the person running with a bullshit narrative that has been spread around so much -- once again, thanks so-called allies! -- that everyone just takes it as truth now because everyone is repeating it.

Imagine criticizing Democrats for running an ad like the one I posted.

EDIT: And we've heard this narrative repeated on these boards many times already; you are not the first to """break the news""" here, you are just the latest to repeat the false narrative. And, no, I won't simply scroll past unfair and biased attacks against Democrats. I learned my lesson from doing that. I absolutely will push back against false narratives and outright lies when I see them now.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #30)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 12:05 PM

32. I was posting of a CNN segment right after it ended.

And I described it accurately as media spinning the strategy against Dems.

I didn’t attack Democrats, and you are being very unfair in accusing me of pushing this as an attack against Dems.



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Response to blm (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 01:43 PM

42. Yes, and then you proceeded to buy into the narrative...

...when you said "I don’t like Dems spending campaign money like this. I can understand a few moves here and there, but, $44m dollar campaign is a major commitment to a dirty tactic."

Was that ad that I posted a """dirty tactic""" or was it accurately and rightfully calling out a Trump-supporting extremist?

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #42)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 02:02 PM

43. To be mildly conflicted on a campaign tactic is not unusual

when acknowledging the reality of media’s narrative, and it never rose to the point of concern that you chose to counter with vitriol, as if it was a personal attack I crafted against the Dem party.

Unfair of you, W.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 04:52 AM

16. +1

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:06 PM

46. Absolutely! This is not supporting them at all!

Thanks for your post!

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 02:35 AM

14. Democracy is at stake.

Spend whatever it takes. Thats my mileage.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 04:55 AM

17. Examples of promoting Trump's endorsed primary candidates, please?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:09 AM

19. If CNN posts video of their report I'll add link.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:28 AM

26. From The Washington Post:

The party reached a flash point with its recent decision to invest more than $400,000 to help the primary challenger running on Tuesday against Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mich.). John Gibbs has promoted the bizarre “Spirit Cooking” conspiracy theory, which claims prominent Democrats participated in satanic rituals involving bodily fluids, and baselessly denied the 2020 election results. Meijer happens to be one of just 10 House Republicans who risked their careers by voting to impeach President Donald Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2022/democrat-ad-spending-republican-trump/

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:33 AM

20. Can't stop what's already been done

All we can do now is make sure the psychopaths that were nominated don't get elected. Truth is, they have always been right outside the mainstream of the modern GOP. Now they ARE the mainstream GOP.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:16 AM

22. This is/was a risky gambit on the part of Dems

Because if these fools get elected, the damage to our system will be incalculable.

However, the idea that Republicans are howling over the move, insisting that the Dems can no longer say they act on principle is beyond ludicrous.

The GOP enabled a frigging insurrection, then tried to cover it up. What's worse than that???

We're in a life or death battle for the country. Remember all the complaints of Dems bringing a knife to a gunfight? You can't have it both ways.

Do I wish this wasn't a tactic? Yes.

But if it works, I doubt there will be little howling at the end of the day.

Btw, Will Bunch, a columnist at the Philadelphia Inquirer, suggested that Josh Shapiro wishing for Doug Mastriano as an opponent, was an equally risky sentiment. Bunch's take was: Be careful what you wish for. According to the polling so far, however, Josh Shapiro was on the money bc Mastriano has turned off a large swath of the electorate by shooting his mouth off and letting the crazy hang out. Listened to an Arizona Republican last night who predicted a 'bloodbath' in his own state because of the primary results where crazy ruled.

We shall see who was right. But the gall of Republicans shouting foul is beyond belief!

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:20 AM

23. And the media is joining in.

As expected.

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Response to blm (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:26 AM

25. Yes!

As they usually do taking a Republican meme and spreading it everywhere.

As Dems we need to hold the line and keep pushing forward. Ignore the noise. Because that's what this is, Republican squirrel chittering to distract their own voters from reality.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:21 AM

24. Stop spreading this bullshit

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Response to kcr (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:30 AM

27. Don't comment on a CNN reported segment?

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Even Esquire is writing about it. And the reporting is not generous to Dems.

You may not think there is cause for concern, but, it’s not ‘spreading bullshit’ to recognize that the media is going to spin a strategy story like this against the Dems. Are we to ignore that reality and not discuss it’s possible impact on a political discussion board? Really?


Democrats Backing Election Deniers in GOP Primaries Makes a Mockery of Their Rhetoric

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a40797073/democrats-back-election-denier-republican-primary-peter-meijer/

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Response to kcr (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:37 AM

28. blm has done a lot of things...

…spreading bullshit is not one of them.

It’s important to know that the DCCC spent $44 million to boost Republicans.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:42 AM

29. People who do not like this tactic are probably less likely to donate to Dems in the future, imo.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:24 AM

31. Recommended.

I'm relatively certain that more than a few people who donated to the Democratic Party agree with you. This is an example of why I only donate to individual candidates.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 12:10 PM

33. Am a bit surprised that some are mistaking this

observation of a CNN news segment being spun against Dems as an attack on the Dem party by me, personally.

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Response to blm (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 12:29 PM

35. That happens, unfortunately.

Thinking people know that we do not have an obligation to agree with everything that a small group of party members do, no matter if they are in office to represent the entire party. Others thin we have that obligation, which to me sounds far too close to what I find unacceptable among republicans. At the same time, many of those who think they are obligated do not hesitate to say rude things about the progressive wing of the party, and the few elected officials in DC representing progressive interests.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 12:36 PM

37. Republicans have been doing this for decades

and MSM never said boo about it. Now it's a problem?

Added to that, it's Republicans doing the voting here, not Democrats. Once again, the blame falls on the wrong party.

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Response to mcar (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:03 PM

45. Always. After 3 decades of witnessing media spin for GOP, I tend

to expect and factor in the bullshyt narratives they will latch on to.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2022, 01:03 PM

39. I'm reserving judgement until I see what the results are.

Measurable outcomes (wins and losses in November) are the only thing that matters in this discussion. Everything else is just noise at this point.

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