Congratulations to Senator Joe Manchin

[Tomconroy]

You alone were prescient enough to recognize the dangers of inflation last fall. Yet despite the vicious attacks of those who don't understand that Politics is the Art of the Possible, you persisted in good faith and with incredible personal grace to achieve a piece of legislation that raised taxes on corporations, aids the environment and does a number of other things that will be of benefit to The Republic.
The Nation owes you a debt. Many in The Party owe you an apology.

[Shellback Squid]

1. "crickets"

[AllyCat]

4. Yeah, crickets.

He was not alone. I appreciate he did the right thing here.

I’ll reserve judgment on an apology for when he supports voting rights, women’s rights, minorities, and LGBTQ citizens. Hope he proves me wrong for questioning this.

Until then, I’ll hold any apology from my camp.

[ShazzieB]

2. WHAT.

[Johnny2X2X]

3. He kept the deal a secret

One of the biggest thing he did was kept it all a secret. They got the CHIPS bill and the Burn Pit bill done while he was taking heat but negotiating with Schumer. That was brilliant.

[LuvLoogie]

5. Kind of Professor Snape-ish...

[democratsruletheday]

16. Good point Johnny....and GO GREEN!

love your work on tRCMB

[Johnny2X2X]

21. Go White

No politics there anymore though. But I sure do love we can still hate Michigan all we want.

[Phoenix61]

6. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[tirebiter]

7. Frankly, given the choices

I have stayed with Manchin. He wasn’t demanding much, really. And ended up helping with this round. Big time. If he was going to go Repub it would’ve happened already and he had not committed some egregious offense. Besides I am a big tent fan. Need to cut slack for independents like Sanders and Manchin, etc. The zen of more and less simultaneously.

[mcar]

8. Happy to rec this

He was part of getting done what all the far left folks couldn't do. Most important climate legislation ever.

[Nixie]

37. Exactly. He worked at a deal instead of just petty insults. Based on the

national voting results, he could have gotten ugly with Bernie, but he stayed focused.

[mcar]

45. The Sunrise Movement folks are continuing

their "better get this done NOW" campaign on Twitter, as if Senate Democrats haven't accomplished this amazing thing. And they actually doubt that Pelosi will get this passed in the House?

[Nixie]

47. That is pathetically amazing, but very predictable, unfortunately.

The show must go on!

[mcar]

56. Yep

[CentralMass]

9. Bullshit. The bill has less then half the spending of the original bill due to Manchins continuous

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demands including stripping the extension of the child tax credit bill that had lifted 3.7 million children out of poverty. Manchin felt his poor constituents would spend the money on drugs.

He was a one man negotiating team for the Koch Network and the GOP.
You can kiss Manchin' ass, I won't.

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. The tax credit for kids is something I will NEVER forget

[SunImp]

48. +1

[obnoxiousdrunk]

52. +1.

[Celerity]

54. Far less than half, only 12.5% of the original Biden BBB (now the IRA) new spend framework is left

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217010927#post53

[qazplm135]

11. lol

so I see you've also bought into Republican framing on the causes of inflation.

[Tomconroy]

12. Lol. I understand basic principals of economics.

[qazplm135]

17. really

so a couple of trillion of dollars over ten years in an economy that is worth 8 times that annually affects inflation how?
In a world where inflation is global, supply chains are still disrupted, and there's a war going on that's affected oil.

I didn't think we'd see republican talking points on a democratic site but here we are.

[qazplm135]

24. lol

the inflation of the 70s was caused by a whole host of things including a massive oil embargo.

[edhopper]

28. That is a giant heap

of dogshit.

[Duncan Grant]

13. Joe Manchin?! Is that you?

Nice try, Joe. Stuff it.

[Tomconroy]

14. Any bets the squad votes against this?

[CentralMass]

22. The Squad has Bidens back, Machin has McConnell's.

[Tomconroy]

23. Infrastructure bill?

[CentralMass]

51. A vote of concious on a Manchin/GOP gutted bill that had the votes to pass.

[mcar]

46. The Squad got this bill passed in the Senate?

How'd they do that?

[SunImp]

49. Manchin got a lot of flak from the Whitehouse because of his stubbornness

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/19/statement-from-press-secretary-jen-psaki-4/

https://www.businessinsider.com/manchin-refused-white-house-call-build-back-better-fox-biden-2021-12

https://news.yahoo.com/joe-manchin-reportedly-furious-ron-150015171.html

[Duncan Grant]

29. True colors, Joe. We've seen *yours*. How's Enersystems doing today?

[democratsruletheday]

18. usually yes...

but not this time. He did the right thing, albeit kinda late in the process. Now go wash off your filthy fingertips. No need for eff bombs at this point.

[CentralMass]

26. He finally voted for the bill that he single handedly gutted for months with his demands.

He was negotiating for .the monied interests and GOP.

[lame54]

27. Double fuck Joe Manchin...

Many economists agreed that passing BBB would ward off inflation
Manchin killed it
Inflation came
Biden's numbers go into the tank
Manchin went on tv and lied that passing BBB would have made inflation worse
This bill - which I welcome - is a watered down version of what we could of had

Schumer is the real hero here

[Autumn]

32. Exactly so.

[demmiblue]

20. ...

[mvd]

25. Well he played McConnell

There is a lot I dislike about him but will credit him for that.

[48656c6c6f20]

30. Yeah cool story. We get a ride on his yacht now?

[Autumn]

31. .

[cilla4progress]

33. Huh???

Forget this?

[JT45242]

34. Nah....

The only meaningful part of the Medicare legislation was capping prescription drug costs at $2000 per year. Pretty sure that doesn't kick in for 4 years (2026) like the TEN drugs they can negotiate. It will sell to the rubes, but his daughters company doesn't need to negotiate on epipens for at least 4 more mega bonuses.

He is the cause of the narrative that Biden is weak and Dems are in disarray.

He did the right thing today, but he shouldn't be praised for his Lucy van pelt pulling back the football many times.

[Nixie]

36. Biden's approval rating dip started when the BIF was linked

to the BBB last summer and all the public arguments started with the revolution. Manchin was ready to approve the negotiated BIF version last summer, but we got time wasting grandstanding instead. Then the squad voted against the BIF anyway. That’s what started “the narrative” about Biden. It wasn’t just Joe Manchin.

[XanaDUer2]

35. No nt

[helpisontheway]

38. I don't owe him shit! Nt

[d_b]

39. Not bad

More suited for 2005 DU, but it’s not a bad troll thread. “Good faith” was a bit vulgar, but you’ll get better.

5/10, Tomcon.

[867-5309.]

40. F*** Joe Manchin

nt

[betsuni]

41. Not funny.

[SKKY]

42. Yea yea. He's fine. He did his job. Not sure he deserves the pedestal you want to put him on...

...but yea. He's fine.

[skylucy]

43. Snort...

[tavernier]

44. Poor guy..,

Sacrificed everything



Let’s start up a pauper’s fund for him, shall we?

[doc03]

50. He opposed a lot of spending because of his concern over inflation, maybe he was right.

They should have gone to him a long time ago and ask him what he did agree with instead of
bashing him for a year. But as it turns out this couldn't have been a better time for this bill to have passed.
Joe Manchin is better than anyone else we will get from WV in the foreseeable future.

[Celerity]

53. Apology? Manchin/Sinema gutted 83.8% combined of BIF & BBB (IRA) 87.5% of the BBB alone

in terms of new spending.

I am combining the totals of the two bills (BBB and the hard infrastructure bill) for the original Biden frameworks for new spending and then comparing the actual new spend passed to show how much Manchin and Sinema gutted from Biden's proposals for those 2 bills.

here is all the maths, with documentation:


Biden's original frameworks:

3.5 trillion usd for BBB

2.6 trillion usd for the BIF (see below)


A total of 6.1 trillion usd in new spend between the 2 bills was proposed by Biden



what was passed (if the IRA aka the remains of the BBB, passes and retains the same new spending totals it currently has)

438 billion usd in new spend for the IRA (it was 433 billion usd but they added in 5 billion usd for drought programmes)

550 billion usd in new spend for the BIF (the 1.2 trillion usd total included 650 billion usd that was basic renewals of transportation programmes that have been around since at least the Obama and Trump administrations, and was not 'new programme' spending, it was just added to overarching package for budgetary reasons. Again, see below, at the bottom)

A total of 988 billion usd in new spend, which means 83.8% of the original 6.1 trillion usd has been gutted by Manchin and/or Sinema as it stands.

IF you just want to talk the BBB (now the IRA) alone the percentage of gutting is even higher, 87.5%


here is the BIF gutting in some detail


The Infrastructure Plan: What’s In and What’s Out

Biden's original plan:




What was left after they took a 2+ trillion USD hatchet to it

[CentralMass]

58. Thanks for the detailed reply.

[kentuck]

55. Joe Manchin for President.

If the best thing for our country was to find a President that was the most non-partisan, in hopes of pulling the country back together?

[CentralMass]

57. Hell no. pull the country together ? The original infrastructure and BBB bills would have

passed if it were not for Sinema and Manchin demanding changes to them. They are both recipients of funding from the Koch Network.
There is no way on hell that I would ever vote for Manchin in a primary and and tge risk of violating the charter here I would be hard pressed to vote for him in a general
Manchin has "Monied Interests" stamped on his forehead.
I am suprized that you suggested it.

[jcgoldie]

59. What a fucking joke.