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Do you think TFG will get away with stealing top secret documents? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2022 OP
Define "get away" WarGamer Aug 2022 #1
His chance of indictment went from zero percent chance to 10% tops. Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #3
Don't know. Solly Mack Aug 2022 #2
My guess: he will be charged; plead nolo contendere; and get a fine and no jail time Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2022 #4

WarGamer

(12,521 posts)
1. Define "get away"
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 10:55 PM
Aug 2022

Do I think he'll EVER go to jail? No.

Do I think he'll get indicted and MAYBE (10% chance) taken to trial? Possibly.

Irish_Dem

(48,371 posts)
3. His chance of indictment went from zero percent chance to 10% tops.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:52 AM
Aug 2022

I agree.

Going to jail is still around zero percent.

Solly Mack

(90,803 posts)
2. Don't know.
Fri Aug 12, 2022, 11:03 PM
Aug 2022

If the past is any indication, then yes. But maybe this time will be different. I don't know.

I know I'm exhausted. Beyond tired, really, of criminal presidents getting away with their crimes simply because of some bullshit notion that prosecuting a criminal president is worse than the crimes they committed.

It's the crimes and lack of prosecutions that cause people to lose trust in government - not the holding them accountable.

I'm not ashamed of my country because of the crimes Trump committed. Those were his crimes. But if he is allowed to get away with them, I will be even more ashamed than I am already.

I am still very much ashamed of my country for allowing the Bush administration to get away its crimes.

Nothing that has happened in the intervening years has changed that for me.

Don't care if other people have forgotten or forgiven or whatever the torture and other crimes against humanity committed. I haven't. I can't. It isn't in me to forgive such things. It simply isn't part of my makeup.

But holding Trump and his minions accountable would go a long way toward rebuilding some of the trust for me.

Not holding him accountable would truly be bad for America.

Course, I think Trump and the rest involved should be in prison for kidnapping children at the border. Lots of reasons why Trump and members of his administration should be held accountable.







Algernon Moncrieff

(5,798 posts)
4. My guess: he will be charged; plead nolo contendere; and get a fine and no jail time
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:26 AM
Aug 2022

If all this is is that he possessed secret documents, the precedent for that is that you get fined, and maybe probation, and lose your security clearance for a few years (refer to Sandy Berger).

There is a difference between a violation of the Espionage Act and spying in the sense that most of us imagine. To prove actual espionage would be a high bar.

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