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****BREAKING**** TRUMP'S CONSIGLIERE LIED TO THE FEDS (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2022 OP
We can do this the easy way... or the hard way. Nt BootinUp Aug 2022 #1
LOL, they lied, then CONTINUED to hold the illegally housed documents, and still tried to Wingus Dingus Aug 2022 #2
"The country is on fire. What can I do to reduce the heat?" dalton99a Aug 2022 #3
...and he's the match that lit it. spanone Aug 2022 #10
I'm gonna call bullshit on that. Trump wants the country to burn. Nevilledog Aug 2022 #11
what better homage to agingdem Aug 2022 #18
I think it's the biggest rush for him that people are willing to lose everything for him. Nevilledog Aug 2022 #20
think Nero/fiddle/Rome burning... agingdem Aug 2022 #23
WOW, agingdem DENVERPOPS Aug 2022 #70
As long as he is left standing he doesn't care at all. G2theD Aug 2022 #45
Agreed...I don't buy anything anyone claims the buffoon may have said. Its all bull. Escurumbele Aug 2022 #85
"What can I do to reduce the heat?" Mr.Bill Aug 2022 #28
Too good for him G2theD Aug 2022 #48
Yup Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #81
"What can I do to reduce the heat?" LudwigPastorius Aug 2022 #39
That would have been right around when he gave Breitbart... NullTuples Aug 2022 #53
Here we go again. The Big Lie and wnylib Aug 2022 #54
"We didn't start the fire." The Jungle 1 Aug 2022 #58
So now he uses cut outs to tamper even with the AG?? ancianita Aug 2022 #84
Uh-oh. Ilsa Aug 2022 #4
Here's a gifted link (no paywall) to the New York Times article teach1st Aug 2022 #5
Thank you! n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2022 #7
Thanks for the reading material, teach. 70sEraVet Aug 2022 #21
Thank you... ultralite001 Aug 2022 #51
Looks like a convenient person for trump to throw under the bus. Goodheart Aug 2022 #6
I have a friend who was disbarred because he had six pot plants in his closet Mysterian Aug 2022 #8
I'm wondering the same thing. ShazzieB Aug 2022 #47
My first thought, too, was Trump or his proxies probably Deminpenn Aug 2022 #65
As an auditor in my work career, we abhorred the idea of answering something w/o actually SWBTATTReg Aug 2022 #68
Worse, will the lawyer admit to checking the documents personally? crickets Aug 2022 #83
The lawyer, yes. But since he was acting on behalf of Trump's wishes, wnylib Aug 2022 #59
It's entirely possible TFG lied to his lawyer, which is something TFG certainly does Ocelot II Aug 2022 #9
So you believe TFG knew he had TS-SCI documents in his possession. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2022 #13
Very possibly. Ocelot II Aug 2022 #25
And the reason he didn't destroy them was because he thought the Feds had the receipts. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2022 #29
SCI documents are so restricted that it is impossible to get them by accident. wnylib Aug 2022 #64
And others knew, too, and let him get and keep them. Ocelot II Aug 2022 #72
Yes. In order for Trump to keep those documents wnylib Aug 2022 #74
TFG did not know what was most valuable Seinan Sensei Aug 2022 #73
Trump also put off "packing" to leave the WH until the last minute LeftInTX Aug 2022 #75
They would not have done this without a back and forth. joshcryer Aug 2022 #33
The Chain of Custody puts all of these Classified mchill Aug 2022 #43
They do have a protocol for handling and accounting for wnylib Aug 2022 #67
+1,000,000 wnylib Aug 2022 #66
Of course he did. triron Aug 2022 #61
I doubt very much that Trump did not know what he took. wnylib Aug 2022 #63
Even if they were acting on a lie that TFG told them, they will be faced with the question "what did RockRaven Aug 2022 #14
TFG's lawyers are also his ass-kissers, since nobody else will work for him. Ocelot II Aug 2022 #26
I hope the lawyer says gab13by13 Aug 2022 #31
That is literally the only thing his lawyer can say. joshcryer Aug 2022 #37
Ah! The Trump Jr defense Generic Brad Aug 2022 #55
My thought exactly wryter2000 Aug 2022 #46
I read somewhere the FBI is fingerprinting (Please let it be true) CharleyDog Aug 2022 #49
His support team is going to have to move to a script to keep track of whose lines are what. Frustratedlady Aug 2022 #12
Stop the presses! A tfg's shark lied!! A rare historical first. sarge43 Aug 2022 #15
"The Justice Department also saw something on surveillance footage ..." Jarqui Aug 2022 #16
Rumor has it, not confirmed yet, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #24
... with Trump stuffing some dough in his back pocket ... Jarqui Aug 2022 #42
Well, certainly not the best in the brightest. But, you get what you "pay for". ashredux Aug 2022 #17
Yoohoo, DOJ, FBI EnergizedLib Aug 2022 #19
Gee... Another "Fall Guy" ... Justice matters. Aug 2022 #22
Attorney made 2 BIG mistakes. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #27
Three: the first and biggest was agreeing to work for TFG. Ocelot II Aug 2022 #34
Amazingly, there must be some who think working for TFG looks good on their resume. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #41
Let's presume... Justice matters. Aug 2022 #56
Oh, you mean a future homeless person. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #57
I read this lawyer ALSO was Flynn's lawyer Pas-de-Calais Aug 2022 #30
What is wrong with these idiots? They'll be dong Federal time, now. C Moon Aug 2022 #32
Recommended. H2O Man Aug 2022 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2022 #36
When You Think You Have Seen it All, There is always....MORE. K and R Stuart G Aug 2022 #38
I'm shocked, SHOCKED! Well not that shocked! Initech Aug 2022 #40
Even if the lawyer who signed had been deceived... WestMichRad Aug 2022 #44
It's almost like they lie constantly about everything. CaptainTruth Aug 2022 #50
This gives the Orange imbecile an out nowforever Aug 2022 #52
There is no out for having them in the first place. wnylib Aug 2022 #69
Just another D_Master81 Aug 2022 #60
Won't asswipe just use this as another of his lame excuses for having them in his possession? Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #62
They.All.Lie.All.The.Time. spanone Aug 2022 #71
Surprised.... MarcoZandrini Aug 2022 #76
Winter is coming for you, tRumpy! I always thought what an arrogant POS he was to name his ARPad95 Aug 2022 #77
Goodbye to being a lawyer for that one. Everything Trump Touches Dies ZonkerHarris Aug 2022 #78
Gimme Gimme Perp Walk! Brainfodder Aug 2022 #79
Corrupt to the core. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #80
His current lawyer, Christina Bobb, has claimed the same. Recently. On TV. crickets Aug 2022 #82
If he burns the lawyer orthoclad Aug 2022 #86
Like the time that fat fuck barged into the Miss Teen USA locker room.... Blue Owl Aug 2022 #87
Covfefe boy jcgoldie Aug 2022 #88

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
2. LOL, they lied, then CONTINUED to hold the illegally housed documents, and still tried to
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:33 PM
Aug 2022

convince the MAGA Zombies that the raid is merely political persecution and nothing more. Bold move, let's see if it works!

dalton99a

(81,656 posts)
3. "The country is on fire. What can I do to reduce the heat?"
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:34 PM
Aug 2022
On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick B. Garland made a public statement saying he had personally authorized a search warrant being executed on Mr. Trump’s property, and he indicated that the Justice Department would only have made such a move after trying less invasive measures.

Shortly before Mr. Garland made the announcement, a person close to Mr. Trump reached out to a Justice Department official to pass along a message from the former president to the attorney general. Mr. Trump wanted Mr. Garland to know he had been checking in with people around the country and found them to be enraged by the search.

“The country is on fire,” Mr. Trump said, according to a person familiar with the exchange. “What can I do to reduce the heat?”

The following day, as a judge unsealed the warrant and the inventory of items that the F.B.I. took, Mr. Trump alternately claimed he did nothing wrong and also made the baseless statement that officials may have planted evidence on him.

agingdem

(7,869 posts)
23. think Nero/fiddle/Rome burning...
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:11 PM
Aug 2022

Trump's template...add to that a touch of human sacrifice on the altar of Trump and OMG he's in masturbatory heaven!!!

Escurumbele

(3,407 posts)
85. Agreed...I don't buy anything anyone claims the buffoon may have said. Its all bull.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 08:14 PM
Aug 2022

And least of all anything that comes out of his mouth.

G2theD

(593 posts)
48. Too good for him
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:09 PM
Aug 2022

I want him shitting in a metal toilet with no seat. I want him to sleep on a 4 inch mattress.
For the rest of his pathetic life.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
53. That would have been right around when he gave Breitbart...
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:23 PM
Aug 2022

...a copy of the warrant, to be published immediately & without redacting the FBI agents' names, thus doxxing them and endangering them and their families. All so he could say he was the one who released it, because dangerous narcissist that he is, nobody gets to have power over him.
 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
58. "We didn't start the fire."
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:45 PM
Aug 2022

"It was always burning since the world been turning. Mr Joel
History lesson in a song

ancianita

(36,184 posts)
84. So now he uses cut outs to tamper even with the AG??
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 06:28 PM
Aug 2022

Yet another attempted obstruction, or obstruction, count. Along with whoever gets charged with aiding and abetting him.

Mysterian

(4,597 posts)
8. I have a friend who was disbarred because he had six pot plants in his closet
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:41 PM
Aug 2022

He's a great, honest guy and a combat vet who used pot for PTSD.

I wonder if there will be repercussions for this dishonest, lying lawyer.

ShazzieB

(16,579 posts)
47. I'm wondering the same thing.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:09 PM
Aug 2022

Also, did the lawyer 1) knowingly lie when they signed that statement, or 2) take Trump’s word that all the classified documents had been returned and sign off accordingly?

The first would be heinously criminal on both the lawyer's part and Trump's. The second would be heinously criminal on Trump's part and heinously stupid on the part of the lawyer. Either way, the optics for the lawyer are pretty horrible!

I can't help but wonder how many legal careers have been damaged or destroyed by getting mixed up with Trump, and how many more will be before it's all said and done.

Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Trump lawyers!

SWBTATTReg

(22,188 posts)
68. As an auditor in my work career, we abhorred the idea of answering something w/o actually
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 03:04 PM
Aug 2022

viewing the evidence, checking it out one for one against the criteria if any, before we then put our official stamp of approval (as auditors do) and this signing of the statement by trump attorney(s) w/o viewing first the physical evidence (not just taking tRUMP at his word) is a career ender if you ask me.

You're right, that the lawyer(s) are both criminal and / or incredibly stupid, especially if they see what happened to other lawyers that got caught lying, doing unethical things who lost their certification, and other types of reprimands (Ghoul, Sidney P., Jay S., many others).

I like your advice about being a trump lawyer.

What I can't figure out is how stupid does one have to be to be associated w/ the likes of a chronic liar like the FORMER president (as Pres. Biden would put it)? Anything that comes out of MAL or trump-related is NOT to be trusted, period obviously.

crickets

(25,988 posts)
83. Worse, will the lawyer admit to checking the documents personally?
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 05:55 PM
Aug 2022

That would be a bad thing, given the nature of those documents.

"Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Trump lawyers!" - Ain't that the truth!

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
59. The lawyer, yes. But since he was acting on behalf of Trump's wishes,
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:45 PM
Aug 2022

it's time for a grand jury indictment of Trump and his accomplices for obstruction of justice and for having classified documents in Trump's Florida home.

Clear cut, understandable to the general public and to a jury for a trial. Convict the traitors on this and continue to collect evidence for additional charges.

Ocelot II

(115,924 posts)
9. It's entirely possible TFG lied to his lawyer, which is something TFG certainly does
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:42 PM
Aug 2022

as often as he breathes. All lawyers know that sometimes their clients lie to them and any lawyer who worked for TFG should have been certain that was happening. A smart one would have added the caveat “on information and belief,” but TFG doesn’t hire the smart ones. The smart ones know that he always lies and he doesn’t pay.

I am speculating that the retention of the remaining items despite the subpoena was because TFG didn’t want them to know he’d taken the TS-SCI nuke stuff in the first place.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
13. So you believe TFG knew he had TS-SCI documents in his possession.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:46 PM
Aug 2022

It's within the realm of possibility that cretin didn't think about or know what he took until the National Archive came looking for it. Then he started stonewalling. That's what Occam's Razor would suggest.

Ocelot II

(115,924 posts)
25. Very possibly.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:12 PM
Aug 2022

TFG, being a right moron, had his minions pack up everything they could find regardless whether it was stamped Top Secret, figuring it would be valuable in some way, and not caring that he wasn’t entitled to take it. When the Feds told him it was illegal to possess that stuff for any reason he hid it instead of complying with the subpoena. That certainly sounds like something he would have done.

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
64. SCI documents are so restricted that it is impossible to get them by accident.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:51 PM
Aug 2022

They have to be specifically requested just in order to look at them.

He knew what he had.

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
74. Yes. In order for Trump to keep those documents
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 03:50 PM
Aug 2022

after they were requested, he had to have one of his MAGA allies appointed to the security detail that handles those documents. There's other way since protocol forchaon or history required the documents to be returned and lockedup by a security person after they have been viewed by someone.

So, the DOJ invrstigstion will probably.look at who was assigned to security for the documents while the docs were in the WH.

LeftInTX

(25,670 posts)
75. Trump also put off "packing" to leave the WH until the last minute
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 04:13 PM
Aug 2022

I remember we thought he was looting the WH on his way out.

Maybe he thought he could create a "shadow presidency" at MAL?

I know he created his office at MAL...(As all former presidents do )

However, Trump also created his office with intention of running a campaign, which other presidents don't do.

He mixes campaign with official business all the time.

There are so many layers here...

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-aides-worried-of-gifts-being-packed-up-during-white-house-move-out-wapo-2022-2

joshcryer

(62,280 posts)
33. They would not have done this without a back and forth.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:26 PM
Aug 2022

They knew what documents he had because they keep a trail of possession for the top secret stuff. If X goes missing and Y was last with it then Y has it or needs to be questioned about it. Trump for sure lied to his lawyer but his mere possession of it, because of how the chain of custody works, means he had to know he was in possession of it. It's not like oh wow his maids are going to take a big box of classied top secret materials and just walk with it. That's not how it works that's not how any of this works.

mchill

(1,020 posts)
43. The Chain of Custody puts all of these Classified
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:54 PM
Aug 2022

Documents in Trump’s itty bitty hands. How he got them out of the White House is disturbing though. You’d think they would have protocol for collecting those items on a daily, if not hourly basis.

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
67. They do have a protocol for handling and accounting for
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:58 PM
Aug 2022

these highly restricted documents. The only way that Trump could have got them out of the WH is if he had appointed one of his MAGA allies to a position in the chain of custody.

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
66. +1,000,000
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:55 PM
Aug 2022

For some reason, people are overlooking this chain of custody regarding SCI documents.

Because of the chain of custody established for these highly restricted documents, it is IMPOSSOBLE for Trump to not know what he had.

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
63. I doubt very much that Trump did not know what he took.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:49 PM
Aug 2022

In order to have SCI documents, he (his allies) had to request specific documents from the handlers who control the locked documents. It is not possible to not know what they had, given the necessity to specifically request them in order to get them.

RockRaven

(15,051 posts)
14. Even if they were acting on a lie that TFG told them, they will be faced with the question "what did
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:49 PM
Aug 2022

you do to determine the truthfulness of that information before signing the statement?" And their answer will almost certainly be bad.

Ocelot II

(115,924 posts)
26. TFG's lawyers are also his ass-kissers, since nobody else will work for him.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:14 PM
Aug 2022

So it’s pretty likely they just took him at his word, a monumentally dumb thing to do when dealing with TFG.

joshcryer

(62,280 posts)
37. That is literally the only thing his lawyer can say.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:28 PM
Aug 2022

He will say "I was told in no uncertain terms that there were no classified materials there."

But they are going to waffle and say "he told us that as president he declassified these materials."

And Trump might get to walk because his idiocy is always a cover for his bullshit.

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
55. Ah! The Trump Jr defense
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:38 PM
Aug 2022

"He clearly broke the law, but is too stupid to realize that breaking the law was illegal".

CharleyDog

(758 posts)
49. I read somewhere the FBI is fingerprinting (Please let it be true)
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:09 PM
Aug 2022

the documents to see who has touched them. I hope they also grabbed the CCCTV stuff; who is going into the basement.

Let it be Lavrov with the fingerprints on the documents. ha ha also MBS and Viktor. What a world.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
12. His support team is going to have to move to a script to keep track of whose lines are what.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:46 PM
Aug 2022

It's the problem with lies. If you pile up the lies, it's hard to remember what they were or who to point to.

I've never been able to understand how Trump found the biggest liars in the country as lawyers, staff members and supporters. Just think of how many have been caught lying, guilty of fraud, sexual crimes, voting violations and gawd only knows what else.

He just has a knack for drawing these types in.

Jarqui

(10,131 posts)
16. "The Justice Department also saw something on surveillance footage ..."
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 12:53 PM
Aug 2022


The Justice Department also saw something on surveillance footage that had been subpoenaed of the storage area that concerned them. It was unclear what period of time the footage was from


It was likely not this week or recent :
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-organisation-mar-a-lago-doj-b2142344.html
According to multiple reports, federal investigators issued a subpoena for the CCTV footage to the Trump Organization — the ex-president’s eponymous real estate and hotel business — earlier this year after a meeting between DoJ representatives and Mr Trump’s attorneys at his Florida home.


That is part of what got the DoJ worked up.

gab13by13

(21,469 posts)
24. Rumor has it, not confirmed yet,
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:11 PM
Aug 2022

but they are saying that the surveillance footage shows Trump and Prince Bone Saw inside the bomb shelter hugging a glowing orb.

Jarqui

(10,131 posts)
42. ... with Trump stuffing some dough in his back pocket ...
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:42 PM
Aug 2022

I have a feeling what they saw on that CCTV triggered a bunch of what has transpired since ...

Justice matters.

(6,950 posts)
22. Gee... Another "Fall Guy" ...
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:11 PM
Aug 2022

Who believed the orange mob boss when he told him "I'll pay you later for a hamberder now..."

jaxexpat

(6,865 posts)
27. Attorney made 2 BIG mistakes.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:14 PM
Aug 2022

1st, he actually believed Trump when he assured him he held no documents marked as "classified".
2nd, he actually believed Trump when he assured him he would pay him for his work.

Of course, the guy wasn't worth much as an attorney or he wouldn't go around signing off on false statements to the DOJ.

jaxexpat

(6,865 posts)
57. Oh, you mean a future homeless person.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:42 PM
Aug 2022

I'm thinking Pseudo-Christian cults are going to become a lot less profitable in the coming years.

C Moon

(12,225 posts)
32. What is wrong with these idiots? They'll be dong Federal time, now.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 01:24 PM
Aug 2022

And probably will never be able to practice law again—and all for that fat, orange, traitorous pustule backed by the gop.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

WestMichRad

(1,340 posts)
44. Even if the lawyer who signed had been deceived...
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:00 PM
Aug 2022

…that all classified documents had been returned, he still signed that statement and thereby providing false information. Lawyer is guilt of obstruction, period.

nowforever

(316 posts)
52. This gives the Orange imbecile an out
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:23 PM
Aug 2022

I can see it now "I believed my attorney that all documents had been returned...I am very busy and trust my people to do what I tell them". This attorney will say "I had my staff member in charge of this and I was told it had been taken care of". Staff member will say "I thought they said hold onto them and someone will come pick them up". Ultimately Miguel the Busboy will take the fall.

wnylib

(21,704 posts)
69. There is no out for having them in the first place.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 03:09 PM
Aug 2022

Considering the very sensitive nature of these documents in regard to national security, it was Trump's responsibility to personally see to it that ALL documents were returned.

D_Master81

(1,823 posts)
60. Just another
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 02:46 PM
Aug 2022

Just another person in his orbit that will take the fall for ol’ Donnie and have their life ruined. I will never understand how so many have ruined their reputation for this guy.

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
77. Winter is coming for you, tRumpy! I always thought what an arrogant POS he was to name his
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 05:04 PM
Aug 2022

property the "Winter White House," but now realize it's the way he rationalized absconding with all the documents from the real and only White House. In his deranged mind, M-A-L (“bad,” “wrongful,” “ill,”) is the White House and he's still president. I'm glad it's all blowing up in his face. He was never fit to be anywhere near the real and only White House and certainly not fit to be a dog catcher let alone POTUS.

crickets

(25,988 posts)
82. His current lawyer, Christina Bobb, has claimed the same. Recently. On TV.
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 05:49 PM
Aug 2022

Two sources provided for varying comment threads regarding how shocking it is that someone(s), legal team or not, were apparently able to paw through potentially classified information without clearance.



Blake Tapper @BlakeTapper
Did she just say that these documents, which allegedly include code-word level intelligence documents were "thoroughly looked over" by Citizen Trump's legal team? Oh my fucking God.
Acyn @Acyn · Aug 11
Ingraham: Is it your understanding that there were not documents related to our nuclear capabilities in the President’s possession..
Bobb: I don’t believe they were
Ingraham: But do you know for a fact?
[video]

10:58 PM · Aug 11, 2022




Akiva Cohen @AkivaMCohen
Wait... did Christina Bobb just say she reviewed the potentially classified material trump turned over earlier in the year before he gave it back to DOJ?

What's her security clearance? How does this keep getting worse???

Acyn @Acyn · Aug 11
Ingraham: Is it your understanding that there were not documents related to our nuclear capabilities in the President’s possession..
Bobb: I don’t believe they were
Ingraham: But do you know for a fact?
[video]

11:57 PM · Aug 11, 2022


The continuation of her remarks included, "The legal team has done a very thorough search, we've been very cooperative with the Biden administration and the DOJ, and turned over everything that we found that we had..."

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
86. If he burns the lawyer
Sat Aug 13, 2022, 09:26 PM
Aug 2022

who signed off on this, or if he lied to that lawyer, that will make it MUCH easier for him to find star counsel for his indictment. (grin)

Blue Owl

(50,535 posts)
87. Like the time that fat fuck barged into the Miss Teen USA locker room....
Sun Aug 14, 2022, 12:48 AM
Aug 2022

Suddenly he’s Mr. Helpful — “Anything I can do to help?” — oh please Donny, you’re not fooling anyone you piece of shit….

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