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(47,207 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,059 posts)convince the MAGA Zombies that the raid is merely political persecution and nothing more. Bold move, let's see if it works!
dalton99a
(81,656 posts)Shortly before Mr. Garland made the announcement, a person close to Mr. Trump reached out to a Justice Department official to pass along a message from the former president to the attorney general. Mr. Trump wanted Mr. Garland to know he had been checking in with people around the country and found them to be enraged by the search.
The country is on fire, Mr. Trump said, according to a person familiar with the exchange. What can I do to reduce the heat?
The following day, as a judge unsealed the warrant and the inventory of items that the F.B.I. took, Mr. Trump alternately claimed he did nothing wrong and also made the baseless statement that officials may have planted evidence on him.
spanone
(135,913 posts)Nevilledog
(51,240 posts)agingdem
(7,869 posts)a deranged malignant narcissist than the United States in ashes!!
Nevilledog
(51,240 posts)agingdem
(7,869 posts)Trump's template...add to that a touch of human sacrifice on the altar of Trump and OMG he's in masturbatory heaven!!!
DENVERPOPS
(8,869 posts)My exact thoughts
G2theD
(593 posts)Hes a sociopath and a narcissist.
Escurumbele
(3,407 posts)And least of all anything that comes out of his mouth.
Mr.Bill
(24,344 posts)How about if you shoot yourself in the head.
G2theD
(593 posts)I want him shitting in a metal toilet with no seat. I want him to sleep on a 4 inch mattress.
For the rest of his pathetic life.
Joinfortmill
(14,487 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,210 posts)You can rot where they keep Robert Hanssen.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)...a copy of the warrant, to be published immediately & without redacting the FBI agents' names, thus doxxing them and endangering them and their families. All so he could say he was the one who released it, because dangerous narcissist that he is, nobody gets to have power over him.
wnylib
(21,704 posts)a call to arms for his thugs. Threats of violence.
Coup 2.0
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)"It was always burning since the world been turning. Mr Joel
History lesson in a song
ancianita
(36,184 posts)Yet another attempted obstruction, or obstruction, count. Along with whoever gets charged with aiding and abetting him.
Ilsa
(61,709 posts)Another one bites the dust. 🎵🎵🎵
Trump throws another one under the bus. 🎵🎵🎵
teach1st
(5,935 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)70sEraVet
(3,528 posts)ultralite001
(894 posts)That is all...
Goodheart
(5,349 posts)Mysterian
(4,597 posts)He's a great, honest guy and a combat vet who used pot for PTSD.
I wonder if there will be repercussions for this dishonest, lying lawyer.
ShazzieB
(16,579 posts)Also, did the lawyer 1) knowingly lie when they signed that statement, or 2) take Trumps word that all the classified documents had been returned and sign off accordingly?
The first would be heinously criminal on both the lawyer's part and Trump's. The second would be heinously criminal on Trump's part and heinously stupid on the part of the lawyer. Either way, the optics for the lawyer are pretty horrible!
I can't help but wonder how many legal careers have been damaged or destroyed by getting mixed up with Trump, and how many more will be before it's all said and done.
Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Trump lawyers!
Deminpenn
(15,292 posts)lied to the lawyer.
SWBTATTReg
(22,188 posts)viewing the evidence, checking it out one for one against the criteria if any, before we then put our official stamp of approval (as auditors do) and this signing of the statement by trump attorney(s) w/o viewing first the physical evidence (not just taking tRUMP at his word) is a career ender if you ask me.
You're right, that the lawyer(s) are both criminal and / or incredibly stupid, especially if they see what happened to other lawyers that got caught lying, doing unethical things who lost their certification, and other types of reprimands (Ghoul, Sidney P., Jay S., many others).
I like your advice about being a trump lawyer.
What I can't figure out is how stupid does one have to be to be associated w/ the likes of a chronic liar like the FORMER president (as Pres. Biden would put it)? Anything that comes out of MAL or trump-related is NOT to be trusted, period obviously.
crickets
(25,988 posts)That would be a bad thing, given the nature of those documents.
"Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Trump lawyers!" - Ain't that the truth!
wnylib
(21,704 posts)it's time for a grand jury indictment of Trump and his accomplices for obstruction of justice and for having classified documents in Trump's Florida home.
Clear cut, understandable to the general public and to a jury for a trial. Convict the traitors on this and continue to collect evidence for additional charges.
Ocelot II
(115,924 posts)as often as he breathes. All lawyers know that sometimes their clients lie to them and any lawyer who worked for TFG should have been certain that was happening. A smart one would have added the caveat on information and belief, but TFG doesnt hire the smart ones. The smart ones know that he always lies and he doesnt pay.
I am speculating that the retention of the remaining items despite the subpoena was because TFG didnt want them to know hed taken the TS-SCI nuke stuff in the first place.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)It's within the realm of possibility that cretin didn't think about or know what he took until the National Archive came looking for it. Then he started stonewalling. That's what Occam's Razor would suggest.
Ocelot II
(115,924 posts)TFG, being a right moron, had his minions pack up everything they could find regardless whether it was stamped Top Secret, figuring it would be valuable in some way, and not caring that he wasnt entitled to take it. When the Feds told him it was illegal to possess that stuff for any reason he hid it instead of complying with the subpoena. That certainly sounds like something he would have done.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)wnylib
(21,704 posts)They have to be specifically requested just in order to look at them.
He knew what he had.
Ocelot II
(115,924 posts)wnylib
(21,704 posts)after they were requested, he had to have one of his MAGA allies appointed to the security detail that handles those documents. There's other way since protocol forchaon or history required the documents to be returned and lockedup by a security person after they have been viewed by someone.
So, the DOJ invrstigstion will probably.look at who was assigned to security for the documents while the docs were in the WH.
Seinan Sensei
(369 posts)But Jared knew
LeftInTX
(25,670 posts)I remember we thought he was looting the WH on his way out.
Maybe he thought he could create a "shadow presidency" at MAL?
I know he created his office at MAL...(As all former presidents do )
However, Trump also created his office with intention of running a campaign, which other presidents don't do.
He mixes campaign with official business all the time.
There are so many layers here...
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-aides-worried-of-gifts-being-packed-up-during-white-house-move-out-wapo-2022-2
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)They knew what documents he had because they keep a trail of possession for the top secret stuff. If X goes missing and Y was last with it then Y has it or needs to be questioned about it. Trump for sure lied to his lawyer but his mere possession of it, because of how the chain of custody works, means he had to know he was in possession of it. It's not like oh wow his maids are going to take a big box of classied top secret materials and just walk with it. That's not how it works that's not how any of this works.
mchill
(1,020 posts)Documents in Trumps itty bitty hands. How he got them out of the White House is disturbing though. Youd think they would have protocol for collecting those items on a daily, if not hourly basis.
wnylib
(21,704 posts)these highly restricted documents. The only way that Trump could have got them out of the WH is if he had appointed one of his MAGA allies to a position in the chain of custody.
wnylib
(21,704 posts)For some reason, people are overlooking this chain of custody regarding SCI documents.
Because of the chain of custody established for these highly restricted documents, it is IMPOSSOBLE for Trump to not know what he had.
triron
(22,028 posts)wnylib
(21,704 posts)In order to have SCI documents, he (his allies) had to request specific documents from the handlers who control the locked documents. It is not possible to not know what they had, given the necessity to specifically request them in order to get them.
RockRaven
(15,051 posts)you do to determine the truthfulness of that information before signing the statement?" And their answer will almost certainly be bad.
Ocelot II
(115,924 posts)So its pretty likely they just took him at his word, a monumentally dumb thing to do when dealing with TFG.
gab13by13
(21,469 posts)that Trump told him.
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)He will say "I was told in no uncertain terms that there were no classified materials there."
But they are going to waffle and say "he told us that as president he declassified these materials."
And Trump might get to walk because his idiocy is always a cover for his bullshit.
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)"He clearly broke the law, but is too stupid to realize that breaking the law was illegal".
wryter2000
(46,113 posts)A lawyer lying like that could put their ability to practice in jeopardy.
CharleyDog
(758 posts)the documents to see who has touched them. I hope they also grabbed the CCCTV stuff; who is going into the basement.
Let it be Lavrov with the fingerprints on the documents. ha ha also MBS and Viktor. What a world.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)It's the problem with lies. If you pile up the lies, it's hard to remember what they were or who to point to.
I've never been able to understand how Trump found the biggest liars in the country as lawyers, staff members and supporters. Just think of how many have been caught lying, guilty of fraud, sexual crimes, voting violations and gawd only knows what else.
He just has a knack for drawing these types in.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)Jarqui
(10,131 posts)Link to tweet
The Justice Department also saw something on surveillance footage that had been subpoenaed of the storage area that concerned them. It was unclear what period of time the footage was from
It was likely not this week or recent :
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-organisation-mar-a-lago-doj-b2142344.html
According to multiple reports, federal investigators issued a subpoena for the CCTV footage to the Trump Organization the ex-presidents eponymous real estate and hotel business earlier this year after a meeting between DoJ representatives and Mr Trumps attorneys at his Florida home.
That is part of what got the DoJ worked up.
gab13by13
(21,469 posts)but they are saying that the surveillance footage shows Trump and Prince Bone Saw inside the bomb shelter hugging a glowing orb.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)I have a feeling what they saw on that CCTV triggered a bunch of what has transpired since ...
ashredux
(2,612 posts)EnergizedLib
(1,901 posts)Feel free to start slapping those cuffs on people any time.
Thank you.
Justice matters.
(6,950 posts)Who believed the orange mob boss when he told him "I'll pay you later for a hamberder now..."
jaxexpat
(6,865 posts)1st, he actually believed Trump when he assured him he held no documents marked as "classified".
2nd, he actually believed Trump when he assured him he would pay him for his work.
Of course, the guy wasn't worth much as an attorney or he wouldn't go around signing off on false statements to the DOJ.
Ocelot II
(115,924 posts)jaxexpat
(6,865 posts)Justice matters.
(6,950 posts)Fluridah Republican A.K.A. christian nazionalist cultist?
jaxexpat
(6,865 posts)I'm thinking Pseudo-Christian cults are going to become a lot less profitable in the coming years.
Pas-de-Calais
(9,911 posts)In the past.
C Moon
(12,225 posts)And probably will never be able to practice law againand all for that fat, orange, traitorous pustule backed by the gop.
H2O Man
(73,655 posts)Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
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Stuart G
(38,454 posts)Initech
(100,117 posts)WestMichRad
(1,340 posts)that all classified documents had been returned, he still signed that statement and thereby providing false information. Lawyer is guilt of obstruction, period.
CaptainTruth
(6,612 posts)nowforever
(316 posts)I can see it now "I believed my attorney that all documents had been returned...I am very busy and trust my people to do what I tell them". This attorney will say "I had my staff member in charge of this and I was told it had been taken care of". Staff member will say "I thought they said hold onto them and someone will come pick them up". Ultimately Miguel the Busboy will take the fall.
wnylib
(21,704 posts)Considering the very sensitive nature of these documents in regard to national security, it was Trump's responsibility to personally see to it that ALL documents were returned.
D_Master81
(1,823 posts)Just another person in his orbit that will take the fall for ol Donnie and have their life ruined. I will never understand how so many have ruined their reputation for this guy.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,112 posts)spanone
(135,913 posts)An oath means nothing.
MarcoZandrini
(39 posts)..no!
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)property the "Winter White House," but now realize it's the way he rationalized absconding with all the documents from the real and only White House. In his deranged mind, M-A-L (bad, wrongful, ill,) is the White House and he's still president. I'm glad it's all blowing up in his face. He was never fit to be anywhere near the real and only White House and certainly not fit to be a dog catcher let alone POTUS.
ZonkerHarris
(24,278 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,487 posts)crickets
(25,988 posts)Two sources provided for varying comment threads regarding how shocking it is that someone(s), legal team or not, were apparently able to paw through potentially classified information without clearance.
Link to tweet
Did she just say that these documents, which allegedly include code-word level intelligence documents were "thoroughly looked over" by Citizen Trump's legal team? Oh my fucking God.
Acyn @Acyn · Aug 11
Ingraham: Is it your understanding that there were not documents related to our nuclear capabilities in the Presidents possession..
Bobb: I dont believe they were
Ingraham: But do you know for a fact?
[video]
10:58 PM · Aug 11, 2022
Link to tweet
Wait... did Christina Bobb just say she reviewed the potentially classified material trump turned over earlier in the year before he gave it back to DOJ?
What's her security clearance? How does this keep getting worse???
Acyn @Acyn · Aug 11
Ingraham: Is it your understanding that there were not documents related to our nuclear capabilities in the Presidents possession..
Bobb: I dont believe they were
Ingraham: But do you know for a fact?
[video]
11:57 PM · Aug 11, 2022
The continuation of her remarks included, "The legal team has done a very thorough search, we've been very cooperative with the Biden administration and the DOJ, and turned over everything that we found that we had..."
orthoclad
(2,910 posts)who signed off on this, or if he lied to that lawyer, that will make it MUCH easier for him to find star counsel for his indictment. (grin)
Blue Owl
(50,535 posts)Suddenly hes Mr. Helpful Anything I can do to help? oh please Donny, youre not fooling anyone you piece of shit
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jcgoldie
(11,656 posts)Never met him