What an indictment would mean to MAGA world?

[kentuck]

Many in the MAGA world believe that if Donald Trump was guilty of anything, he would have been indicted or arrested. Since that has not happened, they tend to believe it is all just a political attack on their hero, their Leader, by the Democrats and the "fake news". That is what they have been programmed to believe.

If he was indicted, it would cause a stir in MAGA world, no doubt. Some would be angry. Some would be confused. If the FBI has indicted him, then there must be something there, some will rationalize. An indictment will change the way the Republican Party, as a whole, looks at Donald Trump. He would no longer be granted the assumption that he did nothing wrong. There must be something there?

The impact of an indictment would be beneficial to the longer-term politics of this country, in my opinion. When someone is charged with a crime, people tend to take a second look. With the MAGA world, it may be only a glance, but it will create a change in the status quo.

[PJMcK]

1. MAGA Republicans will have to face reality

It's going to be a shock for them but reality has a way of catching up and kicking one in the butt.

Trump's time is coming.

[underpants]

2. I don't see how he isn't charged at least

I think he’s run out of courtesies to be given. This whole thing arose because of a courtesy afforded him but NARA playing nice with him and DOJ dragging its feet. From what I’ve read NARA had to pound on some desks at DOJ. DOJ didn’t want to look political (now) I guess.

Possession is 9/10th of the law right? These things were in his house, in his office, in his desk. Come on.

[PJMcK]

4. Trump will be indicted

His crimes, especially with the classified documents, are just too obvious.

The DOJ rule about non-interference in elections is silly. Our nation is under assault by a traitorous criminal and AG Garland is invoking a meaningless idea that his office isn't political? He's a confused man. Everything in our government is political. Has he forgotten that little episode where he was nominated for some job, I think it was an important gig, but politics kept him from the interviews?

It's all politics. Trump broke a great many laws. Indict him now! Why wait?

[underpants]

12. They'll wait

Again Trump is afforded a break due to norms.

Hey! I could be a nice present for the holidays. 🎅🏻

[Initech]

31. They won't, ever.

We're dealing with people who think George Soros controls magic space lasers to turn people into lizards and that the COVID vaccines are going to bring about the zombie apocalypse, for crying out loud.

[tavernier]

3. Wow kentuck, you hit the nail on the head!

If anything, an indictment will wake up a lot of them. Up until now they just considered it politics as usual.

[Martin Eden]

5. "some will rationalize"

Very few if any MAGA cultists are capable of critical thought or logical rationalization concerning Dear Leader. They will see an indictment as an escalation in the unfair outrageous attacks on the Saviour of America.

To think otherwise would be to admit to themselves they've been conned by a criminal.

[PJMcK]

14. Screw the MAGA faithful

Trump is an obvious criminal. Charge him and send him to trial. Let the chips fall where they may.

AG Garland says the DOJ will follow the facts wherever they lead and he'll apply the law without fear or favor.

Fear or favor?

The way his department is handling Trump is certainly providing him with favorable treatment and demonstrates that AG Garland is fearful of the reaction should he reveal all of the facts of Trump's crimes.

Indict the criminals who tried to over-throw our government! Now.

[gab13by13]

19. What about the favor of waiting until after the election?

The longer it goes the harder it will be to indict him, especially if we lose the House. (which we aren't going to do but why chance it)

There are still missing documents. A Trump trial would not happen until 2025, accounting for all of the appeals.

[Martin Eden]

21. It remains to be seen if Garland is hesitating due to fear of MAGA violence

Personally, I doubt that's the case. More likely he's working on building an ironclad case, and that takes time.

It would be a disaster if indictment and prosecution ended in acquittal.

[PJMcK]

22. Any trial Trump faces will probably end in an acquittal

In all likelihood, any trial would have a jury and you and I know that all it'll take is one MAGAt to hang the jury. it'll be impossible to screen them all out of the jury pool.

Garland's case(s) may be iron-clad but the dice-roll of a jury will always be the deciding factor. We've seen plenty of cases that appeared like slam dunks end in acquittals, (OJ, Rittenhouse, etc.). Trump's trial(s), while spectacular, will never be a sure thing.

[Martin Eden]

25. The evidence against him appears overwhelming

A hung jury with a MAGA holdout is a possibility, but careful screening might avoid that.

[rampartc]

6. an indictment will result in a wave of violent (and cowaedly ) attacks fom many of these yahoos

if so, authorities must take them out, self radicalized individual by crazed authoritarian militia.

[kentuck]

8. Better now than later...

If given time to organize, they could be even more dangerous.

At this time, they can be controlled, in my opinion.

[rampartc]

13. the oath keepers should have been taken out at the bundy events

and charlottesville was enough for me.

our constitution is not a suicide pact.

[mn9driver]

7. There will be no change in Trump's core support.

There is a segment of his supporters who are completely unreachable. They are a cult. If he is indicted they will just become more fervent.

[kentuck]

10. But as Joe Biden mentioned in his speech...

It is the Democrats, Independents, and "Mainstream" Republicans that must unite to defeat this MAGA-Republican Party.

[Hugin]

9. Underpants posted an article earlier...

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Which proved to be an actual sampling of the world view of the innermost layers of the MAGA cult. The revelations of which have me refactoring all of my assessments of any effect the real world could have on that mentality.

I have come to the conclusion that the shell of the privilege bubble is so thick, re-enforced, free of consequence, and has been in existence for so long, that many of those who reside in it’s influence have never experienced one minute of reality in their lives.

I really wonder if anything that transpires in the real world has any effect on them. Court orders, fines, war, mass deaths… anything?

I have also realized that they are utterly dependent on current conditions among the common people remaining completely in the status quo for them to survive. They wouldn’t make it through any perturbation of the system which would require cooperation, self-reliance, and sharing of resources. Even for a very short period of time.

[kentuck]

11. They have been let to believe that they are the majority.

It has emboldened them with all their crazy conspiracy theories.

[Hugin]

16. I read some time ago that it was concluded the root cause of...

The first world war was contempt.

These people have nothing, but, contempt. Even among their own families. They are royalty without the benefit of inheritance.

The majority of them have only buying into the illusion believing that someday they will be on the inside. When their actual destination is being discarded once they have been exploited into oblivion.

Will they listen before it is too late? No, the illusion is too strong.

[kentuck]

18. They are all followers.

They are a cult. They would have done none of this on their own. They have to be led.

And they can be led to do anything and to believe anything.

They would not have gone to the Capitol on January 6th on their own, for example. They would not have claimed the election was rigged on their own.

It is a very strong cult of personality that rules their world.

[underpants]

15. What? Who me?

This article about fascism?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016330919

Anyway, thanks for the mention.

I took your second paragraph to be about Trump small little bubble. I completely agree. They are all desperately dependent on him. He has THEM over a barrel as he likes to do. There’s an analogy I guess to that Tiger documentary - the beast has to be contained, the beast has to be appeased, the beast is where all the money comes from. That take up almost all their energy and time. They are so oblivious to what’s happening outside of that little world.

[Hugin]

17. It was the puff piece on Lara Trump...

Maybe it wasn’t your OP.

[underpants]

20. Oh

Yeah that was me. That was something else in several directions.

[Hugin]

23. Very illuminating...

All the world is a prop for their personal gratification.

I could smell the contempt they hold for everything that might reveal their actually being anything other than a lucky sperm.

The fascism article was good, too.

[John Ludi]

26. Spot on.

"I have also realized that they are utterly dependent on current conditions among the common people remaining completely in the status quo for them to survive. They wouldn’t make it through any perturbation of the system which would require cooperation, self-reliance, and sharing of resources. Even for a very short period of time."

This, exactly.

I've lived off-grid off and on for over a decade...these people have NO idea what life would be like if they succeed in their pursuit of destroying the system. In order to live by your wits you actually have to have them first.

[EnergizedLib]

24. Their world will come crashing down

And it will be glorious.

[867-5309.]

27. Hardcore MAGA will harden even more

but the edges we see peeling off of Trump's support will accelerate.

[kentuck]

28. I think that is probably correct.

I hope that is the case.

[marked50]

29. My cynicism tells me that an indictment will sway few in the Repug world to "re-evaluate".

This is born out by the fact that he was impeached twice (sure- not a court of law) and few voted to hold him to account. The proof was there in front of them and they decided to ignore it.

[Mr.Bill]

30. If Trump was indicted tomorrow

the delays he would deploy would postpone a trial until he dies of natural charges, which would be soon, I hope. The best we could do is arrest him and deny bail because he is a flight risk. But that would take a judge who agrees. I would just like to see him held without bail and isolated from all public view or contact. A judge could place a gag order on his attorneys. I doubt any of this will happen, but if I was writing the script to this movie, that's how it would go.

[BlackSkimmer]

32. Yes, well put.

And a damn shame it’s unlikely to happen.