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Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 12:39 PM Sep 2022

The Mar-a-Lago espionage scandal is a three-alarm national security crisis. We should act like it.





https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/04/trump-national-security-crisis/

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Republicans are treating the investigation of defeated former president Donald Trump’s purloining of classified government documents as another opportunity to play victim and attack law enforcement. U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon, a last-minute Trump nominee jammed through during the 2020 lame-duck session, seems to be contemplating a special master to review the documents one by one to see whether there is some basis for blocking them from prosecutors, even as the intelligence community feverishly conducts a national security review. (Trump is bizarrely asking the court to block the Justice Department from seeing what intelligence reviewers already are examining. One longs for the “unitary executive theory” to be applied consistently.)

Even former attorney general William P. Barr observes, “Well, I think the whole idea of a special master is a bit of a red herring ... at this stage, since they have already gone through the documents, I think it’s a waste of time.” He added, “I think the driver on this from the beginning was loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this was unprecedented, well it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club.”

Alas, Barr’s party cares not one whit about national security, only the security of their cult leader and his war on American intelligence.

The extent of the national security crisis Trump thrust upon us has not yet been fully appreciated. The more detailed inventory released on Friday is jaw-dropping. As the Associated Press reports: “Though the inventory does not describe the content of the documents, it shows the extent to which classified information — including material at the top-secret level — was stashed in boxes at the home and mixed among newspapers, magazines, clothing and other personal items.” The volume of documents is even more troubling.

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The Mar-a-Lago espionage scandal is a three-alarm national security crisis. We should act like it. (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2022 OP
Lock. The. Slob. Up! SheltieLover Sep 2022 #1
William Barr allowed this to happen. Cipallone allowed this to happen. And the list goes on. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #2
Yup... 2naSalit Sep 2022 #5
How long? moondust Sep 2022 #3
Traitor Tot has been selling us out for a while now -- OMGWTF Sep 2022 #9
My guess is it started with his very first exposure to classified info in the briefings from Pres O. NullTuples Sep 2022 #10
I agree with you, it's why he wouldn't allow any read out of the meetings with enemies. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #15
Yep. He was doing direct delivery to Putin and MBS. dchill Sep 2022 #16
All of the empty envelopes were hand delivered. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #17
I assumed it was treason at the time. I'm just a guy... dchill Sep 2022 #19
Same here but continually accused of jumping to conclusions. onecaliberal Sep 2022 #20
It's not POLITICAL science either, but most of the politicians... dchill Sep 2022 #21
May 10, 2017 CrispyQ Sep 2022 #22
Republicans are desperate to find some plausible excuse for Trump's breach of national security. sop Sep 2022 #4
Did Putin get everything he wanted from his puppet or is the debt as yet unpaid? Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #6
Debt markodochartaigh Sep 2022 #7
trump will try to stiff putin; putin will stiff trump like he has other oligarchs erronis Sep 2022 #8
Windows Traildogbob Sep 2022 #11
"the explosive sideshow that will come with it" ... give me a break! Justice matters. Sep 2022 #12
Yeah, Stupid Fuckhead Admitted it at his Cha Sep 2022 #13
Garland certainly doesn't seem to to? triron Sep 2022 #14
I've been wondering about that & playing what if in my head. NullTuples Sep 2022 #24
This is the worst treason this country has ever seen. The Jungle 1 Sep 2022 #18
Yep. triron Sep 2022 #23
K & R +100 Duppers Sep 2022 #25
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2022 #26

onecaliberal

(32,858 posts)
2. William Barr allowed this to happen. Cipallone allowed this to happen. And the list goes on.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 12:49 PM
Sep 2022

They were willing to let him grab them by the top secret documents.
This is DEFCON1, our enemies have everything.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
10. My guess is it started with his very first exposure to classified info in the briefings from Pres O.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 02:35 PM
Sep 2022

Sure, he had to wait until January 21st to actually get hands-on possession but by then he probably had a shopping list provided for him, with Russian-English translation, instructions for transfer, and everything.

Seriously, at this point why should we NOT assume he was a Russian asset embedded into the very top of our federal government? Everything from 2015 or so back onwards points to him being one.

onecaliberal

(32,858 posts)
15. I agree with you, it's why he wouldn't allow any read out of the meetings with enemies.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 03:09 PM
Sep 2022

There is already reporting that people knew he was taking these documents to the residence and they were never given back.

dchill

(38,489 posts)
19. I assumed it was treason at the time. I'm just a guy...
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 03:15 PM
Sep 2022

...with a TV. I assumed that the IC community of savvy long-time professionals was ON THE CASE. I see no sign at the moment that this was the case.

onecaliberal

(32,858 posts)
20. Same here but continually accused of jumping to conclusions.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 03:18 PM
Sep 2022

This fucking clown does it all in public, it’s not rocket science.

dchill

(38,489 posts)
21. It's not POLITICAL science either, but most of the politicians...
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 03:23 PM
Sep 2022

... don't see it that way. To the GOP, treason is a matter of opinion.

sop

(10,177 posts)
4. Republicans are desperate to find some plausible excuse for Trump's breach of national security.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 01:06 PM
Sep 2022

The latest one I'm hearing is "the US government needlessly classifies far too many documents" and Trump took the stuff because "he just wanted more transparency." They're framing it as Trump vs. the Deep State. When that falls apart, they'll concoct another preposterous rationale.

erronis

(15,250 posts)
8. trump will try to stiff putin; putin will stiff trump like he has other oligarchs
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 02:23 PM
Sep 2022

The trumpf family ought to be worried also. Even tho the FSB has some notable failures, they keep trying.

I'm not sure if the trumpfsters should fear most poisoning, defenstration, garrots, or just being cut off from their supply of rubles.

Traildogbob

(8,739 posts)
11. Windows
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 02:50 PM
Sep 2022

Reserved for the entire trump family. May need a big ass picture window for the head of the snake. Pity the fools under that window on their knees for his attention. The thud heard round the world. The sound of justice.

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
12. "the explosive sideshow that will come with it" ... give me a break!
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 03:00 PM
Sep 2022

There either won't be such a sideshow, or the fascist domestic terrorists who would break the Law will be brought to justice.

It's time to secure a nation of over 330 million people no matter the potential fascist fringe's attempts to subdue it.

No more corrupt cowards in the administration of the Justice Department. The home of the Brave or bust!

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
24. I've been wondering about that & playing what if in my head.
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 04:11 PM
Sep 2022

As in,

"What if US Intelligence fed Trump only the most surface level, cartoon powerpoint version of highly sensitive information once the recognized what he was likely doing, and that he was so clueless as to not recognize what they were doing?"

I mean, these are US Intelligence! They're practically a government inside the government. Double and triple thinking is what they do, day in and day out, while Trump...well, at best he quarter-thinks.

And also, I wonder if when he asked for specifics - which would have seemed out of place for him - said IA pros fed him info which they immediately changed, thus conforming to his request but avoiding putting the USA or our assets in danger. Surely they did so after early 2017 when he was known to have given highly classified info to the Russian foreign minister & ambassador, which was followed by the emergency extraction of a spy we had in Russia.

And what if Garland is at least somewhat aware that all this had transpired?

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