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kentuck

(111,092 posts)
Sun Sep 4, 2022, 07:58 PM Sep 2022

Joe Biden was right.

Trump and the MAGA-Republicans are a threat to democracy.

He is also right in calling for "mainstream" Republicans, Independents, and Democrats to fight together to defeat them.

I do not believe all the Republicans that voted for Trump are MAGA-Republicans. They know what he is and they know that Republicans always vote for their Party.

But we should not be so naive to think that no Democrats voted for him. Many, many that voted for Barack Obama also voted for Donald Trump.

It is not a simple Democrat vs Republican battle.

We need all the help we can get to defeat this scourge and "mainstream" Republicans are needed in the battle. We need a coalition.

We can go back to the usual political battles after the democracy is saved.

Joe Biden knows also that this is good politics. Whatever votes can be taken away from the MAGA Republicans, the better it is for the Democratic Party.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

betsuni

(25,501 posts)
7. Sanders supporters more likely to be independents, not the Democratic base. Not so surprising
Mon Sep 5, 2022, 12:45 AM
Sep 2022

non-Democrats wouldn't vote for Democrats.

"What characteristics distinguished Sanders and Clinton supporters? To many election-year commentators, the two candidates were locked in an ideological battle royale. The Sanders campaign was supposedly a potential 'watershed in the development of progressive politics,' and Sanders supporters were said to 'want the Democrats to be a different kind of party: a more ideological, left-wing one.' But ideology was not the key divide among Democratic primary voters. Although they perceived Sanders as more liberal than Clinton, and Sanders supporters were more likely to identify as liberal, there were small differences between Sanders and Clinton voters on many policy issues. [According to VOTER Survey respondents, there was a 0.02 points difference].

"The political scientist Daniel Hopkins found at best small differences on policy issues between eventual Clinton and Sanders supporters when they had been interviewed in earlier years. Hopkins argued that the factors behind Sanders' support 'do not suggest that it is grounded in enduring liberalism.' The political scientists Christopher Achen and Larry Bartels, who were the first to describe the findings from the January 2016 survey, wrote that 'Mr. Sanders's support is concentrated not among liberal ideologues.' Achen and Bartels also located the origins of Sanders's support in social and political identities.

"Instead, the important divisions had to do with other identities: party, race, and age. Clinton voters were more loyal to the party, more racially and ethnically diverse, and older. Sanders voters were more likely to be independent, white, and younger."

John Sides, Michael Tesler, and Lynn Vavreck, "Identity Crisis"

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