"The Courts Will Hold"

[Solomon]

Where are all the people who kept lecturing us that "the courts will hold"?

I will admit. In the very beginning I was one who believed that out of all of our institutions that have been woefully corrupted, it would be the judiciary where the buck would stop.

And then I got quiet as I started to see how many unqualified hacks were being placed on the bench, even the Supreme Court. I remembered what the court did in Bush v. Gore when it said, stop counting the votes (in a so-called democracy no less!) because it would be damaging to Bush!

I can't believe so many people lent credence to the absolutely ridiculous proposition of appointing a special master by debating the idea as though it were feasible. Yet here we are now with an order to appoint a special master who will take all the time in the world to " review" documents because it will earn enormous legal fees. Not only that, but an order to even stay the investigation! Why don't they make Trump pay for this travesty? Why are our tax dollars being used to pay for this debacle?

What do you think? Will the courts, the judiciary, hold in the end?

Somehow I'm still hoping but I have to admit, I am having some damned serious doubts about it. Talk me down, please!

[Atticus]

1. Expand---add four justices who know Blackstone is not just a grill. nt

[gab13by13]

5. That needs to be priority one for the new Congress.

[Bettie]

12. AND put in place robust

ethics guidelines for justices and federal judges that outline when recusal is NECESSARY, not just 'suggested' in addition to a real code of ethics including paid speeches for political organizations and "gifts" from various groups.

[quaint]

14. +infinity

[bucolic_frolic]

2. I'd give it a break even chance

and the ultimate link is SCOTUS. It depends on what type of case reaches SCOTUS, and whether at that time a political outcry will be suppressed, met with an opposing force, or laughed at. I think only the latter would hold the country together.

[CrispyQ]

3. Can't talk you down cuz I'm right up there with you.

If Trump runs, he'll get elected. They are making sure he'll be able to run again.

[gab13by13]

4. I'm not talking you down.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

Trump got a hold of a smart lawyer finally.

This is what I envision, patience, patience, patience, GET OUT THE VOTE.

If the SC allows executive privilege for 2 presidents at a time, I think Trump will have a case to keep the documents.

I think the executive privilege was brought up so a Special Master can claim them for classified documents that incriminate Trump. They can be returned to the Archives but can't be used to prosecute Trump, since it would make Trump look bad.

They normalize the insanity by doing it right in the open.

[msfiddlestix]

7. "They normalize the insanity by doing it right in the open"

[Irish_Dem]

9. The GOP makes US democracy look weak and foolish.

Putin's GOP puppets have earned their bribes.

[msfiddlestix]

28. Or earned their Salaries.

could be bribes, could be salaries, could be money laundering, could be anything but principled or righteous in the cause of democracy.

[Irish_Dem]

29. The corrupt GOP politicians have been rewarded very well in various ways, yes.

They were installed into high office, all kinds of money and perks comes their way.

In return they sell out the US and Americans to our enemies.

[Irish_Dem]

6. No rule of law, especially in a national security emergency, is a grave failure of our system.

I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question.

We don't know the full extent of judicial corruption, and we know that the majority of the SC
members are corrupt.

[Irish_Dem]

8. The fact Americans don't trust the judiciary to hold says it all.

We no longer automatically believe that the rule of law will be upheld.

[intheflow]

18. Irish_Dem, that was white privilege,

thinking the courts in the country were ever fair. 🙁

[Irish_Dem]

19. Yep. White privilege caused many Americans to live in a fantasy land.

We keep getting hitting with one reality sandwich after another.

And now the MAGAS think that if an autocracy replaces our democracy,
they will still have freedoms and rights. It is just the rest of us who will be
subjugated. I guess reality will catch up to them some day too.

[mn9driver]

10. If the courts hold, it will be as much luck as anything else.

The judiciary is seeded with incompetent and corrupt Judges all the way up to SCOTUS. I am not optimistic.

[gab13by13]

11. If we keep the House and add Senate seats

the #1 item on the agenda must be to add 4 justices to the Supreme Court.

I was one who pushed for this last year, but I was told that was too radical, look what happened to Roe, that is too radical.

[maxsolomon]

22. You can push for it every year. It won't matter.

It is too radical for Biden. It is too radical for the center of the Democratic Party.

[EYESORE 9001]

13. I would remind jurists

that a major component the Nuremberg trials involved judges, who were held accountable for their crimes. Sad to say, but our system is so corrupt that it may take an international body to put an end to courts with the power to end all life on the planet with their decisions.

[Mysterian]

15. How corrupted is the U.S. Supreme Court?

We are going to find out. I am certain the 11th Circuit will reverse this laughable opinion by the unqualified cultist judge.

[Bettie]

16. You have more faith than I do

but, I hope you are right and I am wrong.

[gab13by13]

17. Nothing is certain with these traitors,

the 11th circuit is the 2nd most conservative circuit out of 13.

I listened to experts say that since Cannon didn't rule from the bench she would reject the SM.

[Ponietz]

23. The defendant put 6 judges on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals

Pleas share with us the grounds for your certainty.

[Kablooie]

20. Trump will get off scot free. There will be no consequences for being a traitor.

The courts are a joke and Trump knows it.

[lark]

24. Can't talk you down because I am up there with you!!

The courts are packed with Federalists (think Confederacy) who are determined to end democracy in this country. I am freaking out!! Will the center hold - doesn't look like it after yesterday, does it? We know SCOTUS is totally bent and evil, so truly think we are fucked.
I am retired and not able to work full time in my previous employment, don't know how I will live without social security which they are determined to end ASAP. So sad for our once good country which is being destroyed, along with everyone not rich, for the profits of the rich,

[UnderThisLaw]

25. They're on this post in LBN

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142965390

[Hermit-The-Prog]

26. The stealth takeover of America by the 1% ...

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/meet-the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america

[H2O Man]

27. Recommended.

Interesting. Very interesting. And very important.

There have always been shitheads on the courts, including the federal courts. Indeed, that has included on the Supreme Court, which has a history of handing down rulings that denied the rights of non-white groups and individuals. But, overall, there has been progress in creating a more perfect union.

Within the federal courts, there has long been some judges who are more progressive, and some that have been more intent upon conserving social injustice. The 11th Circuit is a good example of a non-progressive system. But even within that context, Cannon is extreme ..... extremely unqualified and extremely subjective in her agenda.

I think that human nature, in the context of our society, tends to make individuals go to worst case scenario when something goes wrong. I know I am prone to this. For a recent example, I contacted my favorite doctor on Friday. I had mowed less of my lawn than I intended, then took a nap. I've had too little energy since recovering from covid. She told me that fatigue is the most common post-covid symptom. Then, she reminded me of my age, and that I haven't gotten proper sleep since my first grandchild was born earlier in the week. I know she is correct, but I still am frustrated.

We can speculate on how higher federal courts might rule on Cannon's decision if the DOJ appeals. I certainly do not trust the 11th Circuit. They are the Clarence Thomas of appeals courts. More, while the Supreme Court did not back Trump's attempts to steal the 2020 election, they did overturn Roe.

Speaking only for myself, I much prefer the DOJ deal with this issue now, as opposed to an issue on Trump's post-conviction appeal.

[msfiddlestix]

30. Honestly, I don't see a single legal eagle on our board weighing in on this topic.....yet.

I've been scouring around GD a little bit now and then today, hoping to find a reassuring explanation, and how this will not be an utter disaster. So far I haven't spotted any response to that effect.

I don't want to be right, I want to be wrong. But I think we ALL need evidence that the DOJ has it all in hand.

Just not seeing evidence of that at this moment.

[48656c6c6f20]

31. The courts will hold,

The American dream, the best constitution in the world.

I've known for decades how hollow all this horseshit was.
I'm telling you, time to move to a real democracy, because our warts are now 10 pound tumors.

[Meowmee]

32. I was worried about this special master etc.

I was worried about this special master etc. and of course all the other court decisions before that because I knew the courts had been corrupted by that monster and his henchmen and Hench women… this is what happens when you let fascists do whatever they want to do and pretend everything is OK, he has had no consequences for anything. And I was told by people here you are wrong, you are not patient enough, you are blah blah, implied you are an idiot, but here we are once again.

I don’t know what’s going to happen. let’s hope I am wrong. I doubt he will ever have any real consequences- let’s just hope he never gets into any form of power again, more than what he has now with influence. They should have charged him right away, a long time ago and not waited for something like this to happen. Seize the day, don’t lose an opportunity.

Control of the press has gone a step further – CNN is firing people who speak out against the fascist etc.

[Hortensis]

33. What could be the problem with watching our systems hold up over seven years

of seditious attacks and the DoJ closing in on top-level criminals and, instead of being proud of oneself and encouraged, choosing to believe the sky is falling every time something new hits the news cycle? (For years?!)

Replacing almost all of these daily jerks on our political nose rings with a couple of high-quality summary articles every couple months would result in better understanding and emotional balance, and certainly for resilience to finish the course. Btw, don't we all know by now that toxic agents push demoralization and disinformation 24/7/365? A poisonous miasma some people actually go to social media to inhale?



As for what I think, of course tRump's trying for delay, and he has a lot of other tire spikes to throw in our road after this. Our people have both other roads and their own spike strips.

It is a shame to find out that 41-year-old Judge Cannon, who tRump gave a life appointment, is biased and/or very inadequate. This is now her identity, even if this ruling stands. Which it may not (those other roads to try).