Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
47 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Well, we now know why jared received $2B from Saudia Arabia (Original Post) Hestia Sep 2022 OP
how many and where Israeli nukes are located lapfog_1 Sep 2022 #1
More likely Iranian nuclear programs Retrograde Sep 2022 #8
Considering the bromance between wnylib Sep 2022 #26
If he did, he may want to beware of Mossad. They take care of business. Sneederbunk Sep 2022 #2
Rosenbergs yankee87 Sep 2022 #3
They were executed in 1953 Deuxcents Sep 2022 #7
Roy Cohn made sure Mrs. Rosenberg got the electric chair... Kid Berwyn Sep 2022 #33
link? TigressDem Sep 2022 #4
I hope you realize you're asking for a link to the OP's thoughts. Stinky The Clown Sep 2022 #10
OH. I thought "we" as in DU that it was an actual news item. TigressDem Sep 2022 #11
It is. From the Washington Post I think. All the talking heads on MSNBC were talking about it... Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #12
Yeah... that makes sense, but not proven yet. ok. TigressDem Sep 2022 #13
Indeed. Not proven yet. nt Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #14
Exactly! Because there is nothing that mob family has done to justify that kinda money. There is a Hestia Sep 2022 #31
trump doesn't need a "pass through" to Putin... Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #34
Sorry, used the royal "we" as in global thoughts - surely I am not the first to realize this? Hestia Sep 2022 #29
Come to think of it, Kushner was flying around the world... brush Sep 2022 #46
Agreed. trump gets a big piece. Wonder who else... brush Sep 2022 #5
If it were me in charge, I would subpoena guest records from 2015/2016 onward, though there is Hestia Sep 2022 #30
They did subpoena the security tapes. Probably more accurate than the guest records...nt Wounded Bear Sep 2022 #35
Israel helped put TFG in office CanonRay Sep 2022 #6
Delicious...;) Hestia Sep 2022 #32
trump better hope info on Israel's nukes isn't what comes out... brush Sep 2022 #37
Do we now? Behind the Aegis Sep 2022 #9
Really? DET Sep 2022 #15
In EVERY thread? Really? Behind the Aegis Sep 2022 #18
In every thread in which he is referenced...DUH DET Sep 2022 #22
Duh? Every thread where he is referenced? Sure. Behind the Aegis Sep 2022 #23
Truce DET Sep 2022 #24
Accepted. Behind the Aegis Sep 2022 #25
I appreciate this push back a lot, Behind the Aegis Dorian Gray Sep 2022 #27
No ignoring TFG At.All. He, not unlike other mob bosses, doesn't get his hands dirty. He hands off Hestia Sep 2022 #36
And how did the Saudis know where to find the journalist... brush Sep 2022 #40
To be fair, I was leaning towards execution before the Mar-a-Lago search Nevilledog Sep 2022 #16
For Kushner? Why? Behind the Aegis Sep 2022 #19
I was talking about trump. Nevilledog Sep 2022 #20
Understood. Behind the Aegis Sep 2022 #21
Well, a firing squad with AK-47's, which the GQP has lionized as their own personal fetishes, Hestia Sep 2022 #38
Pay per view would get rid of the national debt Nevilledog Sep 2022 #41
I want the entire family in jail BradAllison Sep 2022 #44
When the Game is Up Roy Rolling Sep 2022 #17
And everyone always forgets about the 1.4 billion from Qatar. Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #28
Boy, I sure did...who divvied up those and other monies? Interesting... Hestia Sep 2022 #39
It was during the administration. Jared was about to go bankrupt because he made a Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #45
Yes. And what secrets did Kushner cough up... brush Sep 2022 #43
Kushner didn't receive B 2 Billion from Saudi Arabia grantcart Sep 2022 #42
Mnuchin got a billion dollars from the Saudis too IcyPeas Sep 2022 #47

Retrograde

(10,235 posts)
8. More likely Iranian nuclear programs
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:04 AM
Sep 2022

Saudi Arabia and Iran do not get along, largely because of religious differences dating back to the 900s.

But it could be both - and a whole lot more.

wnylib

(22,241 posts)
26. Considering the bromance between
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 04:31 AM
Sep 2022

DJT and Netanyahu, and Jared's Judaism, it seems more likely that somebody leaked info TO Israel rather than about Israel.

Deuxcents

(16,822 posts)
7. They were executed in 1953
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 11:59 PM
Sep 2022

For selling top secret info about radar, sonar, jet propulsion engines n nuclear weapons designs. Others were sent to prison but Julius n Ethel Rosenberg were executed. I just googled it.

Kid Berwyn

(15,606 posts)
33. Roy Cohn made sure Mrs. Rosenberg got the electric chair...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 02:49 PM
Sep 2022

…Even though she had nothing to do with the spying.

But talk about Karma!



Roy Cohn Condemned the Rosenbergs as Soviet Spies. Their Granddaughter Just Made a Film About Him.

Ivy Meeropol, the director of Bully. Coward. Victim., discusses the life of the Trump mentor who remains one of America's most infamous villains.


By Gabrielle Bruney
Esquire, JUN 18, 2020

EXCERPT…

Cohn was just 23 when his role as a prosecutor in the Rosenberg trial made him a nationally-known figure. Electrical engineer Julius and his secretary wife Ethel were native New Yorkers who met in the Young Communist league in the 1930s, and were arrested in 1950. In a trial riddled with prosecutorial misconduct, the Rosenbergs were convicted of passing to Russia secrets of the atomic bomb. One of their allies later confessed that Julius did commit espionage—but historians generally agree that the information he relayed was not at all crucial to Soviet bomb-building efforts. Alan Dershowitz, a true Trump-era Forrest Gump, says in the film that Cohn told him the trial amounted to “fram[ing] guilty people.”

But Ethel was almost certainly innocent. Her brother and spy ring co-conspirator David Greenglass testified during the trial that his sister was involved in the plot, but later recanted his account, saying that, with Cohn’s encouragement, he lied to spare his own wife and family. Unlike everyone else involved in the spying operation, Ethel was never given a codename. Still, Cohn boasted in his autobiography that when trial judge Irving Kaufman, torn over whether or not to sentence Ethel to death, called him for advice, he urged the judge to condemn her. “The way I see it,” he told Kaufman, “she is worse than Julius.”

The Rosenbergs’ extended family members were too afraid of falling under the taint of communism to take in their orphaned sons. Robert and Michael were eventually adopted by Abel Meeropol, writer of the anti-lynching protest song “Strange Fruit,” and his wife Anne, after the children were introduced to the couple at a party at W.E.B. Du Bois’ home. Both grew up to be university professors.

CONTINUES…

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a32894716/roy-cohn-bully-coward-victim-documentary-julius-ethel-rosenberg-true-story/

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving FPOTUS.

Wounded Bear

(59,046 posts)
12. It is. From the Washington Post I think. All the talking heads on MSNBC were talking about it...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 01:03 AM
Sep 2022

trump had documents about nuclear capabilities of a foreign country. Doesn't say which country, of course, but thinking that the Saudis paid Jared $2B for them is hardly a stretch.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
31. Exactly! Because there is nothing that mob family has done to justify that kinda money. There is a
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 02:47 PM
Sep 2022

track record of egregious behavior and business decisions to ever justify that kind of spare change from SA.

Hmm, never thought of either Israel or Iranian secrets...I thought of SA as a pass-through to giving the documents to somebody, Putin maybe? SA is as mobbed up (in behavior, at least) as the TFG and his coterie of minions, thugs, killers and thieves.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
29. Sorry, used the royal "we" as in global thoughts - surely I am not the first to realize this?
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 02:39 PM
Sep 2022

For those who are unaware of the $2 billion from SA - I'm the one who has thrown in the documents from MaL being behind the payoffs of Leader of Cult45 debt. Jared was flying around the world up until PJB inauguration. I do believe what DOJ found in the empty classified folders (or whatever - don't want to nitpick or parse) - Jared (IMNSHO) was selling these documents to the highest bidder.

Links to some of the "major" MSM publications

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-11/how-did-jared-kushner-get-2-billion-from-the-saudis

https://news.yahoo.com/jared-kushner-2-billion-saudi-203653147.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-oversight-investigating-2b-saudi-investment-jared-kushners-firm-rcna31805

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia

I wonder if it leading towards something like this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016331143

I also think - again, IMNSHO, because PJB is not giving out economic and other info to the billionaires/trillionaires like Cult45 Leader is why they hate PJB and Democrats in general.

One of the greatest fears was that Cult45 gets economic news 12 hours before the general public, as does any current president.

Cult45's leader was simply doing business as usual - everything is for sale to the highest bidder...

(To reiterate, some is my personal opinion and some is in the public domain as far as new articles from 2015/2016 onward...)

brush

(54,526 posts)
46. Come to think of it, Kushner was flying around the world...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:15 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Thu Sep 8, 2022, 04:50 PM - Edit history (1)

non-stop until the last minute of the trump admin. Like what was so urgent, trump was no longer governing (as if he ever did), and he was preoccupied with planning the insurrection so what was Kushner negotiating?

brush

(54,526 posts)
5. Agreed. trump gets a big piece. Wonder who else...
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 11:23 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Wed Sep 7, 2022, 02:53 PM - Edit history (1)

geta to wet their beak, as the mob guys say?

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
30. If it were me in charge, I would subpoena guest records from 2015/2016 onward, though there is
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 02:42 PM
Sep 2022

that Chinese person who did walk in (?) or snuck in (?) into MaL with multiple phones, etc. But, guest register would be the starting point.

Behind the Aegis

(54,207 posts)
9. Do we now?
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:16 AM
Sep 2022

Speculation is fun, but it is just that: speculation.

I love to see how many alleged, self-proclaimed liberals, already know "the truth" and are ready to bring on the executions.

DET

(1,389 posts)
15. Really?
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 01:26 AM
Sep 2022

Why are you so adamant in defending Jared in every thread? Why do you think that incompetent boob received TWO BILLION DOLLARS from Saudi Arabia? ‘Bring on the executions’ - a bit hyperbolic, to put it mildly; what are you implying?

Behind the Aegis

(54,207 posts)
18. In EVERY thread? Really?
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:05 AM
Sep 2022

I don't know why that POS got $2 Billion from SA. And guess what, YOU and NO ONE else here knows either! So, if you can "speculate", so can I. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean my speculation is any less relevant.

DET

(1,389 posts)
22. In every thread in which he is referenced...DUH
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:47 AM
Sep 2022

No, I can’t definitively say that Jared sold out our country and probably others for his own personal enrichment, but it’s the only thing that makes sense. Have you forgotten his handling (stealing) of Covid supplies during the worst of the pandemic? Unconscionable. And his complaint that White House lawyers were ‘whining’ about the law while he was attending to the important business of granting unwarranted Presidential pardons for illegal activities? Plus a million other things. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s a duck.

Behind the Aegis

(54,207 posts)
23. Duh? Every thread where he is referenced? Sure.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:51 AM
Sep 2022

Have you forgotten that facts matter? If you and others can speculate, so can I. It doesn't mean he isn't a POS; he is. What I don't like is how some are IGNORING the MAIN culprit and acting as if Kushner is the "main man".

"If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s a duck." YUP!

DET

(1,389 posts)
24. Truce
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 04:13 AM
Sep 2022

Of course, facts matter. And if Trump hadn’t perverted the justice system to the extent that he has (see Judge Cannon), perhaps we could find out what the facts are. NOBODY is ignoring Trump; he’s the source of all things evil in his God awful reign. Jared is just one of the larger barnacles that has attached itself to the host in a perverse symbiotic grift (apologies to biologists). I hope they all go down, sooner than later.

Behind the Aegis

(54,207 posts)
25. Accepted.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 04:23 AM
Sep 2022

I am on edge because of shit I am seeing from the far right, and I really, really do not like to see "doublespeak" from MY side! The former Squatter-in-Chief has done some serious damage to this country. I don't believe anybody is ignoring the former POS, but I do see some very disturbing remarks, parallels, and allegations made to appear as fact, appearing here and other liberal sites, not to mention conservative sites, and especially far-right sites. I don't like it! Is Kushner scum? Yes. Did he likely do something illegal? More than likely the answer will be "yes". The irony in some of the comments is the speculation that Kushner sold out Israel, not necessarily the US, and yet, the hate is still off the charts. That really is some fucking monumental irony.

I do believe it will all come out; hopefully, two weeks before the elections for all those with short memories on the right.

Dorian Gray

(13,578 posts)
27. I appreciate this push back a lot, Behind the Aegis
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 06:17 AM
Sep 2022

It's NOT that I don't think Jared is a twerp capable of selling nuclear secrets. I think he's quite capable of that.

But we don't know that for sure, and part of the problem on the right is the conspiracy theories and lack of evidence. They make shit up, spread it online, scare people, and run with it.

I am not comfortable with doing that. I think a more rational pushback against right wing extremism is the only way to defeat it completely without fracturing our society.

Is it possible that the 2B was a payment for info in some of those Top Secret docs? Sure. But investigators need to investigate that. They need to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Because if there is that shadow, the right wing will use it to sow discord.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
36. No ignoring TFG At.All. He, not unlike other mob bosses, doesn't get his hands dirty. He hands off
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 02:56 PM
Sep 2022

to his consigliere to handle. The problem is, who is the real consigliere? He's tried and failed to find his "Roy Cohn" (sp?) (who he fucked over largely on his death bed). I "speculate" that that person is hidden, we don't know who exactly it is. Putin, maybe? Or is TFG Putin's consigliere?

When TFG was running back in 2015, it was "speculated" that TFG was $1.5 billion in debt, but because it was all hidden in private hedge funds, or whatever you want to call them, that we may never know.

I "speculate" that because his daddy was sent to prison, Jared is one of TFG's capo's and wanted revenge against DOJ/Fed gov't, so flew the world, showed them a taste of some documents for sale, and they were put up to the highest bidder.

brush

(54,526 posts)
40. And how did the Saudis know where to find the journalist...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:02 PM
Sep 2022

Khashoggi to dismember him? That's when Kushner and MBS were spending late nights together all buddy buddy.

Nevilledog

(51,828 posts)
16. To be fair, I was leaning towards execution before the Mar-a-Lago search
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 01:31 AM
Sep 2022

I'm vengeful like that.
?

Mostly I want him to STFU forever.

Conversely, I would absolutely watch a camera trained on Trump in his prison cell.

Behind the Aegis

(54,207 posts)
19. For Kushner? Why?
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:11 AM
Sep 2022

If for the POS that squatted in the WH, well, there are certainly some areas that would justify years in jail, but I don't know if even he should be executed. Now, once all the facts are in, then we can reevaluate. I just find it telling how a few are focusing more on Kushner and love bringing up the Rosenbergs, than are focusing on the overall administration. People are only speculating, and some of that speculation is frankly fucking offensive. Of course, I am being all uppity and expressing my opinion and a few don't like that I am not lock and step with their guesses.

Nevilledog

(51,828 posts)
20. I was talking about trump.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:21 AM
Sep 2022

I think what you're seeing is an expression of the momentary relief of being right about everything these monsters have done. It's acknowledgment that we were right about what monsters these people are, and the damage they've done to this country. We've been traumatised for years because of this fucking family and I don't find it odd that part of this moment is a pretty strong desire to see them suffer.

Behind the Aegis

(54,207 posts)
21. Understood.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:25 AM
Sep 2022

However, I think speculation should be just that, speculation, and disagreeing with the punishment for a speculation shouldn't be punished. I dislike some of the comments I have seen here (and a few other places), which are ignoring the FACT we don't have all the facts...YET.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
38. Well, a firing squad with AK-47's, which the GQP has lionized as their own personal fetishes,
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:01 PM
Sep 2022

would be magnificent (I wonder what those ratings would be? I would be wary of a prison cell, because you know a guard would be paid off to capture each and every tear and collected, not unlike "Demon Knight" with the blood of JC.

Horrid thought, eh?

Roy Rolling

(6,982 posts)
17. When the Game is Up
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 02:03 AM
Sep 2022

When an attempt to sell stolen secrets is caught by the FBI, CIA, or foreign intelligence service Trump is toast.

It may have already happened for all we know, but Trump was monetizing those stolen secrets for his own benefit for sure.

The best thing would be a Trump operative caught in a sting operation. TFG isn’t so smart he won’t arrest himself.

Scrivener7

(51,217 posts)
45. It was during the administration. Jared was about to go bankrupt because he made a
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:11 PM
Sep 2022

butt-stupid deal when he bought 666 5th Avenue. It was billions under water, it was coming down to the wire when he had to pay off a debt on it, and suddenly a deal was struck in which Qatar "lent" him 1.4 billion dollars and saved the day.

I guess because of all that charm he oozes.

brush

(54,526 posts)
43. Yes. And what secrets did Kushner cough up...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:07 PM
Sep 2022

to get our of debt on 666 5th Ave?

I still can't believe he bought a building with the address 666. I'd run, not walk before buying a property with that address.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
42. Kushner didn't receive B 2 Billion from Saudi Arabia
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:04 PM
Sep 2022

He is overseeing investments worth B 2 Billion

It should earn him $ 25 million in fees a year.

Still obviously objectionable but should be based in reality

IcyPeas

(22,065 posts)
47. Mnuchin got a billion dollars from the Saudis too
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:33 PM
Sep 2022
In fact, the duo didn’t just seek the money, they received it: Soon after leaving office, Mnuchin’s private venture received a $1 billion commitment from the main Saudi sovereign wealth fund, on top of other investments from other Middle Eastern countries. Kushner secured a $2 billion investment with the Saudis — even after those responsible for helping oversee the Saudi sovereign wealth fund concluded that such a commitment was a very bad idea.

From the Times’ report:

A New York Times report last month revealing the Saudi investments in the Kushner and Mnuchin funds raised alarms from ethics experts and Democratic lawmakers about the appearance of potential payoffs for official acts during the Trump administration. But an examination of the two men’s travels toward the end of the Trump presidency raises other questions about whether they sought to exploit official relationships with foreign leaders for private business interests.

The problem, of course, is that this isn’t an either/or dynamic. There’s ample reason to be concerned about services rendered and the degree to which Mnuchin and Kushner abused their official positions.

When the Saudis wrote sizable checks to Kushner and Mnuchin, they not only might have been rewarding the Americans for their pro-Saudi work, they might also have been thinking ahead about possible opportunities to come in the event of a second Trump term.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/saudi-money-kushner-mnuchin-drawing-fresh-scrutiny-rcna30056
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Well, we now know why jar...